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Safest method to ship expensive goods

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NoxiousPluK
Gallactic Groove Guild
#1 - 2012-05-11 14:16:05 UTC
Hi all,

I've been reading a lot about transporting stuff, and i have a few questions.
What would be your suggestion for shipping small but expensive goods?

Think about things like blueprints, sleeper loot, etc, that kind of stuff.

I heard that certain bays of Orca's cant be scanned, but also stories about cargo containers in cargo, etc etc.

What is true and what is not, and what do you suggest?

Any ideas for fittings, etc?

What i usually use is a Bustard with cloak+mwd trick or a Crane, but i dont need all that size most of the time, 1k m3 is already plenty of space usually.
Cap James Tkirk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-05-11 14:53:50 UTC
you have a few options
1) orca corp bays are unscannable
2) put your small loots like bpos in small secure cans and lock it holds true for any small loots with low voulme even if your killed in a small fast ship as orca is a turtle looters cant get into a secure can u locked
3)if going through low/null use a cloaky transport otherwise you = fail and lose your valuable loots
4) if moving high voulme low cost gear get a freighter contract ( i have a buddy that runs these sorta contracts in hs drop me a message if this is what you need can work a deal with ya)

5) never ever ever afk autopilot with said loots that should be an obvious one

6) if you meet a gate camp be calm and give your self the 15 seconds to sort out a functional thought (cloaky transport)

cheers mate this is all i can think of
NoxiousPluK
Gallactic Groove Guild
#3 - 2012-05-11 15:02:43 UTC
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
you have a few options
1) orca corp bays are unscannable

Thanks, good to see that confirmed.

Cap James Tkirk wrote:

2) put your small loots like bpos in small secure cans and lock it holds true for any small loots with low voulme even if your killed in a small fast ship as orca is a turtle looters cant get into a secure can u locked

Wait what? Shocked

Cap James Tkirk wrote:

3)if going through low/null use a cloaky transport otherwise you = fail and lose your valuable loots

Thanks, been doing that (except for the Bustard, but cloak+mwd works very well on that ship, been trough nummerous gatecamps).

Cap James Tkirk wrote:

4) if moving high voulme low cost gear get a freighter contract ( i have a buddy that runs these sorta contracts in hs drop me a message if this is what you need can work a deal with ya)
5) never ever ever afk autopilot with said loots that should be an obvious one
6) if you meet a gate camp be calm and give your self the 15 seconds to sort out a functional thought (cloaky transport)

True that, thanks :) but sometimes its so busy at the gates that you end up sitting a few meters from someone.
Also, thanks for the offer, we have our own freighters tho :)

Cap James Tkirk wrote:

cheers mate this is all i can think of

Thanks :)

More people? :-)
Slayer Girl
Slovenia Inc.
#4 - 2012-05-11 15:34:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Slayer Girl
Contract your valuables via courier contract to an expierienced hauler and make sure that the collateral value is sufficient to cover the loss. Then allow the carrier to take the risk. That way you are covered no matter what. Black Frog offers great courier contract services for low-sec/null-sec and high collateral value items.
Conjugate Momenta
Uwu punish me sexy zorya daddy
#5 - 2012-05-11 16:06:52 UTC
Pay red/black frog to do it. Their rates are dirt cheap.
NoxiousPluK
Gallactic Groove Guild
#6 - 2012-05-11 20:13:30 UTC
Thanks for the input!Big smile
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#7 - 2012-05-11 20:35:54 UTC
Quote:
2) put your small loots like bpos in small secure cans and lock it holds true for any small loots with low voulme even if your killed in a small fast ship as orca is a turtle looters cant get into a secure can u locked



Secure cargo containers are only secure when they are anchored and passworded. Unless this has changed recently.

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _

Boomhaur
#8 - 2012-05-11 21:05:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Boomhaur
Dare Knight wrote:
Quote:
2) put your small loots like bpos in small secure cans and lock it holds true for any small loots with low voulme even if your killed in a small fast ship as orca is a turtle looters cant get into a secure can u locked



Secure cargo containers are only secure when they are anchored and passworded. Unless this has changed recently.


Last I heard with unsecured containers all they need to do is repackage and the items will come out if it is looted. Haven't tried it personally though.

There are a few ways to go about transporting high value, low volume items in HI SEC. Low/Null refer to someone else, not my specialty.

1) First is contracts, let someone else take the risk and just put up a good collateral so they don't take it.

2) Second, fast cov ops ship with cloak. If they can't see you they can't kill you, generally. Just a smart idea to have warp bookmark so you can insta warp outside hubs like jita or use high ehp ship while undocking than switch to fast ship the next system or different uncrowded station.

3) Orca, can't scan corp hanger bay and loot doesn't drop from it and high EHP. Makes it one of the most prefered choices.

4) Than there is the high EHP club in which you have so much EHP it take a lot of effort to suicide gank, so you keep your cargo value under what its worth to try, and the logistics involved in getting something together to suicide gank it is difficult as well. Freighters and Jump Freighters belong in this club.

But so do other ships, my prefered ships for this are Ammar ships with bounus to either resist or more armor. Things such as the maller, augoror navy issue, prophecy, damnation, and abbaddon come to mind for this. My preference for armor tanked ships are because of the ability to use slave implants to increase the amount of armor you have, weither or not you have it does not matter as there is no way of your enimey of knowing unless you told them, or till they pod you.

So if they want to gank you it's a smart idea to prepare for worse case scenerio which can get quite pricey real quick. A few of my builds had the maller with 90k ehp, augoror navy issue with 120-130k ehp, prophecy with over 140k, damnation 300K+, abbandon easily over 200k. This is with standard t2 fit and t1 rigs, with something like a set of slave implants you will easily reach the freighter ehp on all ships minus the maller while still having less sig and be faster to warp and while warping. You can achieve higher or lower numbers as all those fits were with "passive" modules so I don't have to activate anything and I was going off memory, and I have used a few of these personally to great effect.

5) Than there are just the cloaky ships, cov ops, transport ships, t3. Align hit cloak, warp while cloak it's hard to kill what you can't lock.

6) T3 cloaky ship, you can eaisly get one of these wit high EHP and a cloak. Basic idea of to not be seen while traveling and if you do get caught have enough EHP to live through the gank.

7) You can also store make your items unscanable. If I remember you either had to "double wrap" it basically courier contract to alt, than courier back to yourself, or it had to be in a container and than courier contracted. Forgot the exact process, it's something to look into. As most people won't bother taking a risk of suicide ganking a ship (unless it's a easy to kill ship, and because it looks suspicious taking the time to do that) if they don't know what they will be getting in terms of profit.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.

Aina Sasaki
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-11 21:42:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Aina Sasaki
This might just seem like an idea to me, and it might not be the best one, but... what about transporting stuff in pvp fit ships? Granted they can't carry too much, but how many gank teams in hisec scan literally every ship passing through? If they were going to ignore anything, it would be ships that are not traditionally used for hauling.

I might just be being naive though. I don't really have any experience with hauling expensive goods around. :o

- Rei

Boomhaur
#10 - 2012-05-11 22:25:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Boomhaur
Aina Sasaki wrote:
This might just seem like an idea to me, and it might not be the best one, but... what about transporting stuff in pvp fit ships? Granted they can't carry too much, but how many gank teams in hisec scan literally every ship passing through? If they were going to ignore anything, it would be ships that are not traditionally used for hauling.

I might just be being naive though. I don't really have any experience with hauling expensive goods around. :o


Well if their ship scanning you I can guarantee their cargo scanning you as well, so going with one of the fits for highest EHP would be the best. And from what I have seen, there is a lot of smaller gangs of suicide gankers than larger ones, so having the higher EHP will hopefully put you past their limit of what their capable of taking down.

But yeah I see what your saying a PVP/normal ship probably won't be priority on the ship/cargo scanning list compared to the industrial ships. One of the other smaller reasons why I fly the high ehp ships I mentioned, but that only really matters at the station hubs and to the jump gates leading to that system usually from what I've seen, which has a lot of traffic. As there is a decent chunk of smaller gangs along the trade routes which are not as busy, but they are usually not capable as much as well. Seeing multple sets of t3 bc/dessies along jump gates not moving, makes you think their not there for sight seeing. Especially after seeing them multiple times while traveling back and forth.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.

Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen
#11 - 2012-05-12 06:00:50 UTC
I've always used a warp stabbed Prowler with an ECM burst. Considering I got the prowler well over six months ago and I still have it should speak for itself.
Point is, have more than one way of back up.
If I'm slow on the draw and get locked, cool. I have Warp stabs. If they have more points than I have stabs, pray that the ECM module works and spam warp button.

This works almost flawlessly in low sec and pretty damn good in null.
The only way to maximize chances in survival is to go tech 3 strat cruiser.

S H I T P O S T I N G

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#12 - 2012-05-12 09:31:37 UTC
T3 cruiser with nullifier and a small group to guard it ? But the best thing to remember is :

Stay Calm Don't Panic !

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

NoxiousPluK
Gallactic Groove Guild
#13 - 2012-05-12 10:54:03 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
T3 cruiser with nullifier and a small group to guard it ? But the best thing to remember is :

Stay Calm Don't Panic !

Was thinking about getting a T3 with nullifier and covops indeed, maybe fill the lows with cargo expanders even, lol.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-13 03:34:17 UTC
Set up a courier contract with collateral that covers goods, perfectly safe because if the mark... courier, gets ganked you lose nothing Big smile

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Trollin
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-05-13 04:36:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Trollin
best way is courier contracts with high collateral (spreadsheet it and put in jita market BUY then x1.75 the total)

let someone else get blapped in the face, you keep the collatteral

nuff said

We are our own worst enemy.

lord xavier
Rubbed Out
#16 - 2012-05-13 08:40:10 UTC
Conjugate Momenta wrote:
Pay red/black frog to do it. Their rates are dirt cheap.

Black Frog has worked well for me in the past.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#17 - 2012-05-13 09:05:40 UTC
I'd heartily recommend the good ship Friendship.
dave3NG
Finite Future
#18 - 2012-05-13 10:15:48 UTC
I would use an inty myself for low / null. Would prefer to have guns and tank so your not an easy target, and just race through as fast as possible. I would also fit an AB for smaller sig radius. If you get caught overheat start shooting, launch ECM drones, scram and try to run.

In Hisec, probably a HAC as a comprimise on speed and EHP. Also fill the cargo hold with boring junk such as ammo, paste, drones, low spec mission / npc loot so that high value item isn't so obvious.

Aggressive Nutmeg
#19 - 2012-05-13 10:28:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Aggressive Nutmeg
I often move blueprints through lowsec and I had a keen pair of -9.9 types in frigs after me last night.

Arriving at my first lowsec destination, I noted a -9.9 waiting at the station.

I conducted my business in-station and undocked. Immediately, the -9.9 targetted, webbed and scrambled me. So did his -9.9 mate who had turned up.

I aligned and warped off with shields hardly touched. Four warp stabs were enough, but I really should get around to setting up undock bookmarks for my regular lowsec stations.

So I went to the next lowsec system, did some business and immediately warped back to the system I had been attacked in. It was a dead end system and I had to come back that way. Probably the smart thing to do is to wait a while or log off a while. But I don't like anyone inconveniencing me or slowing me down in any way. And that's no fun as well. Big smile

The -9.9's were not in local and I assumed they were on the other side of the next gate on my journey.

I jumped to the next system and sure enough both of them were there on the gate waiting for me. They knew I had to come back this way. They immediately deployed drones but I was already aligned and applying the MWD+cloak trick.

It was a little bit of fun, but at least these guys didn't give up. They chased me over a couple of systems and used different tactics. Usually, the gate camp watches me pass by and they don't pursue or try anything else.

Anyway, just a tanked Drake with 4 warp stabs, cloak and mwd is all I use in lowsec.

Having said that, I could have been caught if they had one more ship waiting for me when I undocked. Undock bm's are a must.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.

lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#20 - 2012-05-13 10:37:56 UTC
Give them to me I'll ship them for you, although you are not getting them back

Spaceprincess

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