Science & Industry

This statement requires more support than straight assertion with the adverb 'clearly". It seems to be a statement of faith on the part of many; I'm far more skeptical.

I and my alts vote 'against' movement of T2 production into low/null sec.

"We want to move T2 production more towards low and zero-sec" != "We are preventing ANY T2 from being made in highsec.

CCP Soundwave wants to move T2 production to low sec and null sec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1230077#post1230077

The qualifier "more" doesn't mean he's not going to do it. Here are ways to move it "more" to low or null, as have already been suggested:

• In keeping with previous statements about moving activities from NPCs to Players, reduce or eliminate the number of NPC invention slots
• Add non-hisec restrictions to POS modules required for T2 production
• Review the functionality of certain POS modules, such as leaving invention slots only in the Advanced Mobile Laboratory and Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory, and make those structures only anchor able outside hisec

These suggestions are only speculation, but the fact remains that CCP Soundwave has indicated the desire to move T2 production "more" to non-hisec. What portions of T2 production are possible in hisec at present? Those are the parts of the production chain that will be impacted.

So in T2 production we have:

• Datacores
• Invention
• Moon goo + reactions
• T2 component production
• T2 item production

T2 components and items can be produced in a Component Assembly Array. At present there is no restriction on the security level of a system that you anchor a Component Assembly Array in (witness the "Restricted to Security Level Less Than" attribute of the Moon Harvesting Array).

So Component Assembly Arrays would be trivially modified to operate in 0.4 and below.

How difficult would it be to restrict all NPC manufacturing slots to T1 production only? Note that assembly arrays for POSes are already heavily restricted in which jobs they are capable of accepting. So the code is in there somewhere, it's just not applied to NPC assembly lines right now.

How difficult would it be to remove NPC manufacturing slots (say, to only provide slots at School and Assembly stations)?

This is, of course, all speculation. But the driver behind the speculation is "moving T2 production more to low/null sec". Given the portions of the production chain already restricted to non-hisec, what is left? Only research and component assembly.

“The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.” — Ambassador Kosh, Babylon 5

Just like we got refunds on high speed navigation when the nano nerf came around? Or we got refunds on Electronic Warfare when ECM was nerfed?

I wouldn't hold my breath

the action of moving datacores to low sec is the movement he mentioned.

the completion of this process would be elimination of research agent system entirely and hence fully relying on fw to generate datacores.

were there any indication about his intent to also restrict manufacturing/invention to non nisec? this is entirely different step in my opinion.

Oh? Do you have a source for that claim?

The statement about wanting to move T2 production more to low sec happened in the thread about data core production being moved to research-with-guns. So it is quite clear to me that data core production is not the end of his "make low sec matter" campaign. If he'd phrased that statement along the lines of, "we wanted to move …" the implication would be that what they wanted to do has been done. Instead the statement is "we want to move …" implying that what has been done is only part of a greater plan.

Feel free to live in denial and refuse to believe that CCP Soundwave wants to do anything more with moving T2 production to lowsec.

So you are 'pre-emptively' whining about moving T2 production out of hi-sec based on some extremely wild speculation because he used the word "more". Further more the word was used in context regarding Datacores... It wasn't said in context of changing anything else in regards to T2 production.

You know, you guys can cherry pick words and interpret them as you wish, I done with wildly speculative topics such as this. Its kinda like arguing with fanatics about how the bible should be interpreted.

OK I guess its everyone's right to pony up fantasies and present them on the forum as if they were fact that have already been announced by Devs.

There is a difference between using your brain for whats real and using it to imagine stuff and thinking its real.

The thing I heard a while ago was that they were considering buffing invention chances in nullsec to give it a niche. Hisec is even now the best for T1 as the masses of minerals can be moved easily, WH is the best for T3 for obvious reasons, and null would supposedly be the best for T2.

Something that a lot of hiseccers are ignorant of is how badly station mechanics in NPC outposts hinder nullsec manufacturing. A lot of stuff needs to be done in two or even three stations (refining, laboratory, manufacturing), and carting stuff around in a freighter is a lot less of a big deal than in hisec. With this and the troubles of importing lowend minerals, even goons that do manufacturing often just do it on hisec alts.

Buffing invention chance isn't even much of a way to address these problems, and I'm not sure how much it'll even matter as it'll just mean T2 BPCs being made in null and sold to highsec manufacturers. It may actually be a significant thing if the FW changes to datacores increase their costs, as right now the biggest costs in T2 production tend to be the manufacturing costs. I'm sure there's a couple exceptions I'm not aware of but vOv

anyways back to the sky is falling the sky is falling