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Possible Response to Griefers?
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blood hauler
The Art of War
#21 - 2012-05-04 15:14:43 UTC
You could all ways mine in a tier 3 bs with 8 mining lasers, not going to pull in as much but you at least have more slots to tank with.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-05-05 19:15:38 UTC
Alestr Calmaine wrote:
I'm posting this here because it's an industry-related topic, that and because I have no idea what I'm doing.

I just wanted to ask a question: what would be the consequences of some sort of EVE-wide miners' strike? What would happen if every mining laser, everywhere, was switched off for say, six months or longer? Would anything happen? I read somewhere that CCP injects extra minerals into the market to balance out player-distribution, but if they didn't, if minerals only came from player-mining, what would be the effects on the EVE economy and gameplay in general?
I suppose people could reprocess unwanted mods to get more minerals, but I think Inferno promises that NPCs won't carry T1 loot anymore, so that might dry up pretty fast. I think anyone could guess that mineral prices would increase, but I want to know how it would affect things like ship-production, corp-wars and the huge sov-wars out in 0.0 space. I know the big alliances have their own miners, but I'm just theorising here. I'm thinking that, if the strike goes on long enough, ships and mods might become precious commodities, if they can't be replaced so easily, and the effect that has on EVE in general could be significant. I don't know, I'm sure there are dozens of gameplay-related reasons why this wouldn't work. But if for a moment, it did work, what would the consequences be if the griefers got their wish of a miner-free EVE? Would it be a better EVE?

But, that's just my idea, because miners get a lot of grief (see what I did there?!) though they are what keeps the fires of war burning. And since Hulkageddon is on I've had nothing much to do until my corp logs on.


And while you're waiting, do a few missions. Sure, it doesn't make you as much, but at least you're gaining loyalty points and such.

As for the strike, hell, not so much not mining, more like not selling them and causing a shortage of minerals in general. The issue is getting enough people on board to go along with the plan. Some folks are going to want to still make money and will bypass the strike.

In order for any strike to work, you'd need, at rough guess, approximately 60% to 70% to participate (please note I pulled these numbers completely out my arse, but it's just my guess).
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-05-05 19:34:25 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Joining the crusade to battle eco-terrorists who brutalize asteroids and litter the belts with their space junk containers is the best response.


Really? I'm an eco-terroist? Cool! Better that than a hemp smoking, smelly old hippy I suppose.
Boomhaur
#24 - 2012-05-06 02:23:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Boomhaur
Gorinia Sanford wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Joining the crusade to battle eco-terrorists who brutalize asteroids and litter the belts with their space junk containers is the best response.


Really? I'm an eco-terroist? Cool! Better that than a hemp smoking, smelly old hippy I suppose.


Really most eco-terrorists in eve fly a hulk who never leave their pod so I bet you smell worse than an smelly old hippy. At least those pirates have the decency to get a fresh clone every now and than.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-05-06 06:41:09 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
People realise that the only thing that will really rise in price because of Hulkagedon is Tech right? 80% of isk cost in hulk production is tech. Hulkagedons isk losers are roid/ice miners and gankers in high sec. The winners are tech moon goo miners, hulk and destroyer builders and their components.


Must be why GoonSwarm is sponsoring it huh?

I think miners should just cut out the middleman (the gankers) and just hand their ISK straight over to GSF.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#26 - 2012-05-06 07:33:24 UTC
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
People realise that the only thing that will really rise in price because of Hulkagedon is Tech right? 80% of isk cost in hulk production is tech. Hulkagedons isk losers are roid/ice miners and gankers in high sec. The winners are tech moon goo miners, hulk and destroyer builders and their components.

Must be why GoonSwarm is sponsoring it huh?

I think miners should just cut out the middleman (the gankers) and just hand their ISK straight over to GSF.

Technically I think the middlemen are your good friends, the industrialists that buy tech from the cartel and sell you hulks at high prices.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Janet Hope
Circus Of Flying Lion
#27 - 2012-05-06 08:16:56 UTC
Personally it would be interesting to see all miners go for strike in responde to hulkkageddon terrorism. Would certainly make headlines for eve again. " Miners on strike in responce to concords failure to protect them from terrorist attacks"...

Most funny thing about suicide gankers is, they blame the victim, just like real terrorist blames their victims.

Personally i would like see goverments(amarr, caldari, etc...) and concord in eve to beef up their activities to protect miners. Atleast they should issue warnings when mining ship gets blown up by act of terrorism. If not harsher punishments for those that are quilty.
Flump
Renegade Traders
#28 - 2012-05-06 19:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Flump
what would be better if every miner put in to pay some corp to spend their time taking out the griefers, strike would be good but as someone said not enough people would do it and problem with my idea is that to many areas uless everyone went to couple areas, i know for one if i was going to bother i would rather pay some corp who took them out than pay some muppet whose doing it in first place not to when you would have no guarantee they didnt do it anyway.


the police side of eve is joke, they cruise around gates but do squat in any other area most of the time its why lamers do things like hulkageddon they lose few cheap ships and thats all that happens, if the ratings went down(on all chars on the account) by more for people attacking ships not part of corp war it might not be so bad
Zhade Lezte
#29 - 2012-05-06 22:06:49 UTC
You guys should try this strike, it'd be pretty interesting.

I mean, you won't, but it would be amusing if it happened.
MKB Industries
SpecTechCenter
#30 - 2012-05-07 05:50:01 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:

That ******* put hotels on Boardwalk and Park Place! ******* griefer!
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lol +1 and WTF when did we play Monopoly together?
this is the end of the post!
DitchDigger
Hibi Proletariat
#31 - 2012-05-08 15:57:36 UTC
I'm with you. Haven't mined except mission-mining all month.
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#32 - 2012-05-10 07:57:29 UTC
Good luck with your strike, you won't be earning ISK either >.>

Chribba is a greater threat to Mineral prices then you are....
Leeroy McJenkins
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-05-10 20:41:04 UTC
Silly miners, you have no power Roll

I Don't play EVE
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-05-11 09:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hammer Crendraven
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
What.

I don't hold with strike action. Just price your minerals higher and higher and higher for a few months, rather than just stopping mining.

Besides, it's only recent that mining IS the major source of minerals! Rogue drones and mission loot used to give obscene amounts in comparison.



Ok so I follow all of that. Now that would mean that we should see improved demand or greater demand for minerals in high sec
space as these minerals have to come from somewhere right? So then I ask have you looked at what has the been volume for the last two days across eve for minerals?

I have not looked at all of eve, but the areas I have looked at have all stopped tradinng minerals for two straight days.
Mineral volume of all types has droped to about 1% of historical levels and remained there for 2 days! Now IF Rogue drones are causing a mineral shortage I ask why has the mineral market dried up and how long can this continue?
Further the quantity of unfilled buy orders out strips the quantity of sell orders across eve by a factor of 100-1. All of the buy orders are priced about 10%-20% below market average prices. Again volume is almost nothing. None of these orders are being filled.
And indeed only a small fraction of the demand is being supplied by sell orders all priced at about 10% above market average prices. In a normal market one would expect heavy inflation to result from such unfilled demand. Eve is not a normal market however.

It is my opinion that most of the buy orders are from traders looking for a deal and not real demand.
The 1% that is being moved through the markets over the last two days is the real demand.
That is why their is no inflation.
Jacob Staffuer
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-05-11 18:37:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Staffuer
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
People realise that the only thing that will really rise in price because of Hulkagedon is Tech right? 80% of isk cost in hulk production is tech. Hulkagedons isk losers are roid/ice miners and gankers in high sec. The winners are tech moon goo miners, hulk and destroyer builders and their components.


Must be why GoonSwarm is sponsoring it huh?

I think miners should just cut out the middleman (the gankers) and just hand their ISK straight over to GSF.


Many thanks to The Mittani for sponsoring this event that has done so much to improve Eve Online.

Also, apologies to Helicity.
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