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License free alternatives for Eve artwork.
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#1 - 2012-05-11 17:39:36 UTC
Does anybody know of any artwork that is license free that could be used to represent Eve sites etc? Icons, ships, backgrounds etc?
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-05-11 18:09:10 UTC
Did you try http://conceptships.blogspot.com/ for space images?
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#3 - 2012-05-11 18:10:45 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Does anybody know of any artwork that is license free that could be used to represent Eve sites etc? Icons, ships, backgrounds etc?

Isn't this all covered under the Fair Use clause?

I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Interwebz.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#4 - 2012-05-11 18:11:00 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Did you try http://conceptships.blogspot.com/ for space images?


Nice but is it royalty free? preferably looking for both royalty free and Eve related :)
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#5 - 2012-05-11 18:11:35 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Does anybody know of any artwork that is license free that could be used to represent Eve sites etc? Icons, ships, backgrounds etc?

Isn't this all covered under the Fair Use clause?

I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Interwebz.


Not if you are charging for your stuff no, this is to store and redistribute thus not considered "fair use" :)
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#6 - 2012-05-11 18:12:25 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Does anybody know of any artwork that is license free that could be used to represent Eve sites etc? Icons, ships, backgrounds etc?

Isn't this all covered under the Fair Use clause?

I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Interwebz.


Not if you are charging for your stuff no, this is to store and redistribute thus not considered "fair use" :)

You didn't mention in the OP that it was for-profit.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#7 - 2012-05-11 18:14:18 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Does anybody know of any artwork that is license free that could be used to represent Eve sites etc? Icons, ships, backgrounds etc?

Isn't this all covered under the Fair Use clause?

I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Interwebz.


Not if you are charging for your stuff no, this is to store and redistribute thus not considered "fair use" :)

You didn't mention in the OP that it was for-profit.


Well, I thought the "license free" requirement was obvious. Sorry I left it to you to use common sense.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#8 - 2012-05-11 18:17:27 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Does anybody know of any artwork that is license free that could be used to represent Eve sites etc? Icons, ships, backgrounds etc?

Isn't this all covered under the Fair Use clause?

I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Interwebz.


Not if you are charging for your stuff no, this is to store and redistribute thus not considered "fair use" :)

You didn't mention in the OP that it was for-profit.


Well, I thought the "license free" requirement was obvious. Sorry I left it to you to use common sense.

CCP was going to charge third-party EVE developers for "Licensing" their FREE PRODUCTS.

So I'm not sure if anybody can assume common sense regarding Eve Online and financial decisions.

If CCP can barely get it right, what makes you think I'd presume that you did?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#9 - 2012-05-11 18:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Darth Gustav wrote:

So I'm not sure if anybody can assume common sense regarding Eve Online and financial decisions.

If CCP can barely get it right, what makes you think I'd presume that you did?


That is why I am looking for royalty free artwork, that is the only issue they can enforce on the app/site builders redistributing (not consuming whatever is published over the wire) the rest they can enforce against the "user" :)
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#10 - 2012-05-11 18:19:53 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

So I'm not sure if anybody can assume common sense regarding Eve Online and financial decisions.

If CCP can barely get it right, what makes you think I'd presume that you did?


That is why I am looking for royalty free artwork, that is the only issue they can enforce on the app/site builders the rest they can enforce against the "user" :)

At least you can see why I would ask a question instead of just making an assumption.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#11 - 2012-05-11 18:49:57 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

So I'm not sure if anybody can assume common sense regarding Eve Online and financial decisions.

If CCP can barely get it right, what makes you think I'd presume that you did?


That is why I am looking for royalty free artwork, that is the only issue they can enforce on the app/site builders redistributing (not consuming whatever is published over the wire) the rest they can enforce against the "user" :)


royalty free lets you use the asset for any purpose commercially

do you really think CCP is going to do that?
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#12 - 2012-05-11 18:51:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Morganta wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

So I'm not sure if anybody can assume common sense regarding Eve Online and financial decisions.

If CCP can barely get it right, what makes you think I'd presume that you did?


That is why I am looking for royalty free artwork, that is the only issue they can enforce on the app/site builders redistributing (not consuming whatever is published over the wire) the rest they can enforce against the "user" :)


royalty free lets you use the asset for any purpose commercially

do you really think CCP is going to do that?



Nope, that is why I am avoiding their artwork completely thus avoiding the license requirement. As long as I am not bundling and redistributing any of their IP, I am license free. I have already had counsel over this.

I could ofcourse get somebody to make high quality substitutes for icons and backdrops etc, but I think we need this available to all app builders who might face this in the future and thus we only need the API (which is not copyrightable) and caching and consuming any data published from it is also not being "redistributed" as part of the app "packages".
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#13 - 2012-05-11 18:57:13 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

So I'm not sure if anybody can assume common sense regarding Eve Online and financial decisions.

If CCP can barely get it right, what makes you think I'd presume that you did?


That is why I am looking for royalty free artwork, that is the only issue they can enforce on the app/site builders redistributing (not consuming whatever is published over the wire) the rest they can enforce against the "user" :)


royalty free lets you use the asset for any purpose commercially

do you really think CCP is going to do that?



Nope, that is why I am avoiding their artwork completely thus avoiding the license requirement. As long as I am not bundling and redistributing any of their IP, I am license free. I have already had counsel over this.


well the sad truth is that free royalty free art is usually complete trash or totally non-specific abstract art
if you are actually seeking council on these matters you are obviously sort of serious about your project,
hire artists, their work becomes your property when created in your employ.
or pay out the nose for licensed works on public marketplace sites.

I'd hire artists, more creative control and better ROI
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#14 - 2012-05-11 19:03:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Morganta wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

So I'm not sure if anybody can assume common sense regarding Eve Online and financial decisions.

If CCP can barely get it right, what makes you think I'd presume that you did?


That is why I am looking for royalty free artwork, that is the only issue they can enforce on the app/site builders redistributing (not consuming whatever is published over the wire) the rest they can enforce against the "user" :)


royalty free lets you use the asset for any purpose commercially

do you really think CCP is going to do that?



Nope, that is why I am avoiding their artwork completely thus avoiding the license requirement. As long as I am not bundling and redistributing any of their IP, I am license free. I have already had counsel over this.


well the sad truth is that free royalty free art is usually complete trash or totally non-specific abstract art
if you are actually seeking council on these matters you are obviously sort of serious about your project,
hire artists, their work becomes your property when created in your employ.
or pay out the nose for licensed works on public marketplace sites.

I'd hire artists, more creative control and better ROI


that costs money, I am only charging a very SMALL amount (50 euro cents to 1 euro tops I hope) to cover hardware to test on and time. The donate route won't work as most people DON'T donate unfortunately. To it has to be a small token payment to cover the costs. Just becuase somebody is charging for an app doesn't mean they are making money or it is a big commerical thing lol. And my counsel didn't cost anything :) (the recent EU decison on API's not being copyrightable also helped lol).
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#15 - 2012-05-11 19:05:03 UTC
There is a fan site kit out there im sure the rules and situpulations invovlding using it is included.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#16 - 2012-05-11 19:06:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Nova Fox wrote:
There is a fan site kit out there im sure the rules and situpulations invovlding using it is included.


It is for an app. And since a "fee" (small amount) will be charged, I am sure it won't cover that, I want to avoid "ad's" on the app and that rules out ad supported, Nobody likes ads. As for donation, nobody really donates. sad reality, but its true. Hardware to test on isn't free (emulators can only go so far and do suck), books are not free, sure the internet has resources, but books really help. Then there is time involved, not to mention small or a new computer upgrade along the way if needed.
ClimClomClue
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-05-11 19:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ClimClomClue
Miilla wrote:
As for donation, nobody really donates.

You may want to google kickstarter.

trolling troll removed because I felt terrible about myself.
Pres Crendraven
#18 - 2012-05-11 19:40:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Pres Crendraven
Miilla, I think your missing the whole point of licensing. Like any other expense it is a resource to be multiplied. Inventory to be liquidated and turned into profit. Its supposed to be an income stream for CCP. Try negotiating with CCP for a percentage instead of flat fee.

Those ad companies don't pay till they owe a minimum. Show them how they can make more money long term with a percentage. Pay them in Plex. Its the same profit if not more to them. Charge us in ISk. The gambling sites have that model already worked out. Since your not trying to make a living off this, who needs Euros.

For server, have you looked into Google Ap engine? Its free for development and then charges as bandwidth and CPU usage goes up. They have online docs which are free. It works with Python or Java. If your app get real popular, Googles cloud rates are competitive and I'm sure they can scale well if anybody can.

Google app engine That links for online docs. I'm not sure if the books I spent money on are really worth the money compared to the docs but there's a couple to look at on Amazon. Mines on my kindle, maybe I would like it better with actual paper in front of me. I'm kinda old school.

Seriously consider this book though, I think it has the potential to turn this game around. It simplifies business model generation so that anybody with an idea can get a good grip on the whole system they need to be aware of.

Business Model Generation

Meta34me

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#19 - 2012-05-11 20:11:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Pres Crendraven wrote:
Miilla, I think your missing the whole point of licensing. Like any other expense it is a resource to be multiplied. Inventory to be liquidated and turned into profit. Its supposed to be an income stream for CCP. Try negotiating with CCP for a percentage instead of flat fee.

Those ad companies don't pay till they owe a minimum. Show them how they can make more money long term with a percentage. Pay them in Plex. Its the same profit if not more to them. Charge us in ISk. The gambling sites have that model already worked out. Since your not trying to make a living off this, who needs Euros.

For server, have you looked into Google Ap engine? Its free for development and then charges as bandwidth and CPU usage goes up. They have online docs which are free. It works with Python or Java. If your app get real popular, Googles cloud rates are competitive and I'm sure they can scale well if anybody can.

Google app engine That links for online docs. I'm not sure if the books I spent money on are really worth the money compared to the docs but there's a couple to look at on Amazon. Mines on my kindle, maybe I would like it better with actual paper in front of me. I'm kinda old school.

Seriously consider this book though, I think it has the potential to turn this game around. It simplifies business model generation so that anybody with an idea can get a good grip on the whole system they need to be aware of.

Business Model Generation



They can think what they want, my apps are just Tools, I never lay claim of ownership to their content, are you saying Internet Explorer is owning Eve content when I browse to the REST URI? They publish the content to the USER, the API key is licensed to the USER, not the app, the app is just a browser tool that browses the URI , UNIFORM RESOURCE INDICATOR.

I have lots of books on SoA, I have architected and developed SoA systems and am currently doing one right now. I am very aware of what is and is not in the business, and frankly CCP can do jack diddly outside of bullying and huffing puffing as long as I do not redistribute their artwork or other intellectual assets :) URI's don't count :) That is a service they publish, they do however have the right to deny service, good luck with distinguishing between apps :)

This is the very reason I am looking for alternative artwork. I want to avoid adverts, as you all do, I want to avoid donate buttons, because nobody presses them or clicks past them. The only alternetive for small time apps is to charge a small time fee, very small amount. Devices are not cheap, and yes you do need them as I have run into issues across devices that won't show up in the emulaators, HTC Bluetooth stack for one :) YOu tell me to go buy more books, well those aren't free either. Those cost money , of which this small app fee is going to cover, for that very reason. Hosting is another fee. You want all your apps for free but they aren't free to the developer, and that does not automatically mean they are profiting, most likley they aren't. Certinally not at this scale, and the fact that you are all tightwads.
Pres Crendraven
#20 - 2012-05-11 21:06:09 UTC
I never said anything about Internet Explorer, Or Indicators? or SoA's or jack didlies.

Meta34me

Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent.
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