Test Server Feedback

and I really wish you would stop encouraging the devs to keep going down this path as one of their latest yes men, assuring them that everything is all right. yes men cause damage wherever they go, and usually get rewarded and promoted for their brown nosing. One of the biggest problems in the world, yes men.

Thats not wha tthey said, they said theres no going, back but they will work to make things usable and better for everyone as time goes on, for the love of god its a beta on sisi, of a first release of the new item system...

its insane the amount of rage these kind of things get...

Personally only thing i see missing is SymLinks... to open directly a small cargo window or ship window if i click the old buttons, from there old location as well as the old right click hip menu (and the corp hanger as well) ... that would solve so much of the whining.

Haven't been on sisi for a few days, but I see there are some improvements since last time (the in-space and in-station different window size and position stuff was a welcome improvement), so here is some feedback.

Loading inventory when docking seems very slow compared to the old system. I hope this will be optimized

Some settings menu would be appreciated where basic settings can be chosen like:

1. when docking, the inventory should default to eighter cargohold or items.
2. when double clicking container in item window (not tree view) should open new window or open in existing window
3. Default corp hangar (that you can access by just clicking the corp icon (and that this won't expand the list of hangars)
4. Possibility to set cargohold of active ship as a separate entity that will always have a separate window from the rest of the inventory management.

• Please give us support for mouse back/forward buttons (thumb buttons) to navigate the history of inventory locations, like a browser (since you like to bring up the Win 95 to Win 8 analogy, this has been supported by the Windows file manager for ages)
• (assuming point 4 above is not possible) Although I like that the in-space and in-station window settings are separate, I would like the in-space window to be set individualy per ship (like the old system), cause I would have a different preference for cargohold window size/position when flying a Tengu compared to flying an Orca

Almost shocked at how sensible this is. Nice work btw. I haven't checked how a loot can in space works yet, is it a separate window - would it need to be an extra panel in the unified inventory like this?

I wonder if assets and a number of jumps filter could be brought into this model too?

Lol filled with rage no, just annoyed they are bringing in something to fix something that isn't broken and makes life more awkward.

And yes it is, we haven't been a given a choice. They might have thought to ask, actually maybe some of our customers might like multiple windows without jumping through hoops and left the option there.

I've tried it again tonight and still dislike the new system, but filled with rage no,

Tal

This is actually a really good idea, and should push the UI changes more in the right direction. Definitely click the image to understand what Zagdul is talking about, because its hard to understand in words.

People aren't opposed to change and if you read these posts, people are actually providing constructive feed back. I know you have one of the most challenging jobs where you need to weed though the white noise of whining and complaints... but it's because people are passionate about your work and concerned.

If you release the inventory the way it is right now, people will not be happy. You're altering their comfort zone. When making the improvements, you need to allow for people to migrate into how you see the world should work.

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when packaged they don't sho up in the tree view, but if you just click the "Ships" link for the root level of the ship hangar, the unassembled ships are there

Yes. Well, kind of. Ships don't show up in the ship list unless they are containers (i.e. assembled). They do show up in the Ship inventory if you click it, but you have to be sure you actually drag it there and not somewhere else, because otherwise it won't actually be moved… You used to be able to drag a ship to the (item) hangar floor and have it show up in the ship hangar, but no more.

This kind of ties into the queston RubberBAND asked, which I don't think I really answered……because the ship is already listed there. Its, by far, the quickest way to access it. Why on earth should I have to click on a container to see almost exactly the same list that I already have available in the tree view before I can interact with the ship? Why do I have to scroll up through my list of ships (very likely going past the ship I intend to interact with), to click on a heading in the tree view (the Ships container to open the ships view), to scroll down through almost exactly the same list all over again to get to the ship I wanted, and then use rclick→whatever on it? I should be able to do that rclick action (or interact with it in some other way) from pretty much any location where I see the ship listed, including the tree view. This is one example of what we mean by you adding needless extra steps and reducing the efficiency of the UI.

If I'm allowed to exaggerate, it's a bit like asking people to write a memo by copy-pasting individual letters listed at the top of the page, so every time you want to type a new letter, I have to scroll to the top of the page and fetch the one I want, and then asking why they're trying to copy-paste those letters from some other place on the page that is much closer… (and yes, there's also the question of why we can't just use the keyboard to type the letters, but that's a slightly different issue which also exists in the UI).

As you've seen a number of times now, and as further illustrated by Mashie's confusion above, this is thoroughly counter-intuitive: if my ships are listed in the tree view, how come some aren't listed? It turns out that it's because the tree view isn't actually a list of my ships (which is also why I can't always interact with them the way I expect). If you think about it, it kind of makes sense: an assembled ship is a container, and thus shows up as a “folder” in the tree view that lists all such containers; an unassembled ship is not, and therefore does not, but the thing is that you shouldn't have to think about it. Intuitively, if you see your ships listed somewhere, you'll think “oh, my ships are listed here”, and then something breaks when some ships aren't, and when it turns out that the list of ships isn't actually a list of ships in the strictest sense.

You've made a conceptual split in the UI that only hinges on an underlying database difference, and then tacked functionality onto that difference, which is kind of the opposite of the approach you want to take if you want a good UI — you're supposed to abstract away these deep-wiring differences, not put then front and centre.