Science & Industry

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Bolding mine.

You mean the datacore nerf that handed it to Faction warfare people, rather than said 'null sec buddies'?

Sociopaths, really?

You're obviously possessed of a balanced perspective.

Oh, simmer down, Chicken Little. Things change, it will be fine.

And have you considered the possibility that your obnoxiously dramatic rhetoric may be at least partially to blame for the lack of support you're receiving?

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Labeling people "sociopaths" and "zealots" because they enjoy a different playstyle than you do is ridiculous and infantile and isn't going to win you much support. Every significant gameplay change brings a horde of doomsayers predicting the downfall of Eve. It never happens. Why would this be any different?

Let me ask you a question: Assume, for a moment, that T2 production were moved ENTIRELY to <.5 sec. Can you describe, in detail, what impact this would really have on you?

IF ( and that's a big *IF*) T2 is no longer allowed in high I'm done. Trash everything (including those T2 BPOs, for you losers demanding they be removed), spend isk on a crap-ton of Machs and Nightmares, trash those, and destroy all toon on all four accounts. No rage, just a final step that would end my desire to play this game anymore.

And yes, I'll be FRAPSing the whole thing for those interested.

Even if I were to subscribe to your alarmist and overheated interpretation of the coming changes (which I don't) your attitude and manner are enough to destroy any support I would have possibly considered giving you.

You forget that many of the HiSec population be they manufacturers, traders and missioners are in fact themselves alts of Null sec and LowSec players and so when you hurl insults at "null sec zealots" and "sociopaths" you are undermining your own support with such bigotry.

I don't doubt this will fall of deaf ears, fanatics never listen.

Okay, but... why?

I mean really, have you really considered just how this would affect you?

Hell, if you're building from BPOs? Bonus. Find a station in a nice quiet system off any major thoroughfare, move your BPOs there, contract your hauling out to Black Frog Freight and enjoy.

Sounds like a minor inconvenience at worst, and if the bears abandon industry in droves (as they keep promising) you get to enjoy greater margins that would almost certainly offset the tiny hassle.

Sounds like a net benefit, not sure why it would end your desire to play.

In my opinion the effect will simply be that T2 gets a lot more expansive, since i personally would just join a bigger indy corp and rent a 0.0 system from a alliance. Than u simply factor in the JF cost for logistic + system rental fee's and add those to the final sell price. I don't really care this much either way since actually i'm a producer and just hand the added cost to the consumer :)
This actually means that any T2 item on the market will get a flat base price added, that reflects those static 0.0 production costs. So the cost of a T2 ship might not change much, but i guess some cheap T2 modules, ammo will become quite expansive, compared to now, since atm there is no meaningfully static cost associated, so only material prices matter.


Since the existing 0.0 corps also have to JF there stuff, we end up having just to divide the monthly 0.0 system rental fees, by the number of producers aka used moons in a corp. I mainly suspect that close to highsec and very quite, safe systems will be more expansive to rent than boarder systems or systems that frequently change ownership.

I also predict much higher price fluctuations, since the entry barrier and logistic's are more complex and supply, demand cant perfectly balance itself this way. Since as example it might only be "economical" to JF once or twice a week, so u cant react this fast on supply, demand and also if u do an logistic error u cant simply correct it the next day.

So i see this more a problem for all those pew, pew guys than "serious" producers, since there is no cheap alternative and i doubt that moon rental fees will skyrocket, since there are so much "unattractive" 0.0 moon's. The 0.0 dudes could also just charge per moon, since u don't actually want the 0.0 space for complexing, ratting or expansive moon materials. The only problem here is that it's more economical for a 0.0 alliance, corp to rent at a higher price a full system, rather than selling every single moon, since its logistic nightmare. This still don't stop a "0.0 rental" corp to buy the system and re-rent the moons to smaller indy corps or individuals and also provide JF service for those "inhabitants" :p

bye Andy


PS: I actually somehow like the basic idea, since all those alt, wannabe producers will either be forced out of T2 or they need to really commit to it. I'm only scared of the logistic and "political" nightmare in 0.0.

CCP Games makes the game, they make the rules. If they want to change the rules, they can do so without explaining it to anyone. And let's face it, the "lore" background for this game is anecdotal, certainly not something that can be relied upon for and firm foundation.

Events (and CCP statements) have clearly demonstrated that they want people OUT of high sec and into null. I've said this before: if they want to castrate high sec, they need to just end it. Period. No more screwing around, no more inane taxes, no more pro-Alliance (ie, pro-null) rules, just kill it. Wake up tomorrow, you're in -.3 system. Sansha won, it's now a lawless universe, the lunatics run the asylum.