EVE General Discussion

I agree. We should wait until it's a broken feature on TQ before saying anything at all.




There's some use cases that could be improved with this system and I hope these issues are addressed before this thing goes live. I don't want to trash it too bad - the things it does right it does really right - but there's still room for improvement.

Constructive feedback = good. Very, very good.

I think his post was more directed at those making vocal, vague, obscure complaints... accusing the developers of stupidity... or simply offering opinion on something they obviously didn't actually work with (or at least work with long enough to fully understand).

Yes...constructive feedback is good. Complaining and insulting the devs is not.


Yup...this has been my experience as well.

So would you think :)

I am adapting to the new window thing. It is really different, but follows the modern use of windows. I will just have to get over it

I've learned how it works, that's why I know it's not working fine and it's why I'm whining and complaining.

Ok, here's a trivial use-case that for you that happens several thousand times a day: you are running a mission. You have your cargo hold open to keep an eye on your ammo. Now you want to loot a wreck you just created. How does the windows (plural) function when you click “open“ on that wreck?

No, people have been complaining that it removes the efficiency of having multiple windows, and yes, you still need that ability because a single window is never as efficient.

You still need to have two windows open to see two item locations at once. You still need to have both open at once to have a good overview of what sits where — clicking back and forth is a hell of a lot less efficient. The problem is that, since multi-window awareness is gone, trying to use multiple windows doesn't work since opening up new containers reset all windows. Moreover, you cannot preset what inventories open where so you cannot set up a consistent workspace (be it single or multiple-window, and again, the latter is more efficient).

The new inventory system is like the decade-old Windows Explorer. The decade-old Windows Explorer is… well… decade-old — aka outdated and not particularly modern. A modern file manager uses multiple panes due to the vast increases in efficiency that come with having that kind of setup. Yes, it's more modern than the old inventory system (which was more like Windows 3.1 or System 7), but that doesn't mean it's always better — it's inability to properly handle multiple locations is a huge problem.

Just to stir discussion a little, I find clicking "loot all" is much faster than CTRL+A & Drag. The longest wait while looting is the time that it takes the now empty container window to close. Of course having two windows open means looting can happen much faster than the case of one window with a tree. People designing these interfaces need to understand Fitz's Law.

It's interesting you say that because from my experience there is a definite lag in both the looting action and especially the closing of the container window. The old drag-and-drop method saw the loot transferred and the empty container window closed instantaneously.

"Nothing to see here? Move along?"

Seriously, it's a new UI. There are as many ways to use a UI as there are people using it - and it will be impossible to accommodate everyone's particular wishes in the first run. Does that mean CCP should stop developing new technology or no longer attempt to improve on the old UI?

Certainly not. It just means you have to be patient and politely point out that you think there's a problem with the new system so it can be fixed in the iterative process.

Read and understand what you're reading then come back here explaining how to be patient and how system can be fixed in the iterative process.

Fact is that from recent UI related things only the ones made by CCP Puncturis and friends have been properly finished and ironed out. They did listen the feedback, address it - and fix it. They also went extra mile by adding/fixing stuff what wasn't in the original plan but helped to archive the goal to deliver properly functioning user experience. Why do you think that the team has made so many new friends lately and the interaction in their threads is so much calmer and nicer?

The problem is not in the people who whine about valid issues. The problem is that constant whining is needed to make things happen in 1st place. Personally I'm willing to talk nicely few days but when the issues are overlooked and it becomes clear that the nail isn't quite sinking in, my patience gets lost very rapidly. I don't want to see more unfinished junk in tranq. Fixing bugs is one thing, but tranq is not test server. Without proper multi window support unified inventory is not ready for game play.

If people have to spend week in forum convincing small group of devs that there is a problem, then there is a problem. All the issues and flaws have been written to at least 3 different threads and they have been explained in great detail. The information is there. Tippia has been very kind and written more than enough replies to enlighten any lost soul and most people who have studied the case will stand firmly behind all of those (and I'm not saying that Tippia's posts are the only one worth reading there - they are just easiest to understand).

This is not how things should be progressing - this particular dev team is efficiently ruining the work of others who are doing excellent work for excellent expansion. Some serious internal discussions should be on going at CCP as we speak. Get the priorities straight to these guys. They are not the end users and their vision should adapt to theirs who are.