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New dev blog: Alliance Tournament X Sign Ups, Commentators and Schedule

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OutCast EG
Very Industrial Corp.
#61 - 2012-05-11 04:19:54 UTC
Stop. **cking. Messing. With. PLEX. For. God's. Sake.
k ty bye.

ps Kil2 yay!
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-05-11 04:47:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ThisIsntMyMain
Cap Tyrian wrote:
I'm absolutely sure that all those PLEX are given to the winners instead of the usual 50B , it would be bad publicity if that was not the case.


You fail at reading comprehension.

Quote:
So why PLEX instead of ISK? Quite simply, PLEX is just much easier to manage and allows us to create some revenue to fund this and future tournaments. As we intend to stream all four weekends, we obviously incur additional costs. Using PLEX allows us to provide a top quality stream and production throughout the entire event.


Those PLEX are to pay the real costs of the tournament. Setting up a TV stream, getting commentators to iceland etc. If you want an alliance tournament somebody has to pay for it. In this case, its the competitors.
Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#63 - 2012-05-11 05:46:02 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:
Duncan Tanner wrote:
CCP Loxy wrote:
Raivi wrote:


Would other teams with similar specific concerns be able to contact you via some official channel to discuss it?


Yes you can contact us at evetv@ccpgames.com if anyone would like to discuss an alliance entry ahead of time.


We sent an inquiry to this e-mail and haven't received a response for over a week now. Has anyone else received a response?


Sorry we've had a few of these and I should have gotten back to you but we're going to investigate these issues after sign ups and then take action.


So you want alliances to fork up a decent sum of "RL money" before letting them know if all is ok with them trying to sign up in the 1st place? Sounds like that could be illegal in some parts of the world, at least for a RL event.
Aidamina Omen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-05-11 05:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidamina Omen
Am I the only person that sees a bit of a conflict here?

Alliance Tournament is an event that generates free publicity through player content. (It's not like we're playing on sisi and the ship losses don't count)

On top of that they want us to pay to participate. I find this distasteful, a proper ad campaign would cost CPP hundreds of thousands of dollars, instead they get it for free*, and they still want to squeeze those that participate.

Not cool.

* I do realize costs are involved, but you can't put that on the people that spend weeks if not months preparing for this. Seems extremely unfair.
hottest jita alt
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-05-11 06:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: hottest jita alt
yep, CCP is just getting greedier and greedier by the year. the jita riot and CSM breathing down their necks was the only thing that stopped them from MTA'ing up EVE like every other game.

Now they're making it CERTAIN that not the best, but the richest, alliances get to compete in an "alliance tournament". regardless of whether or not 10 plexes/5bn isk is a lot or not, increasing the money associated with competing in an e-sport is just sad.

Then again, I hear Icelandic people know their economy really well................
malaire
#66 - 2012-05-11 06:21:48 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Rrama Ratamnim wrote:
For the LOVE OF GOD, how do you CEO's not know that you can buy plex's for isk and reverse-redeem them back to the redeem system, you dont need to "buy" plex's for cash for this


I wasn't aware you could reverse redeem. What exactly is the point of that?

edit: aside from this, (for the first time), instance.

Reverse redeemed PLEX can be used to pay for any services in Account Management which can be paid with PLEX, e.g. character transfer, activating account (if you run out of gametime), fanfest tickets.

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malaire
#67 - 2012-05-11 06:23:46 UTC  |  Edited by: malaire
Raimo wrote:
So you want alliances to fork up a decent sum of "RL money" before letting them know if all is ok with them trying to sign up in the 1st place? Sounds like that could be illegal in some parts of the world, at least for a RL event.

No RL money is needed.

1) Buy 10 PLEX ingame with ISK
2) reverse redeem them
3) enter Alliance Tournament and win it
4) profit

EDIT: I could afford this, but I don't have an alliance. Sad ... nor needed PvP skills Roll

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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#68 - 2012-05-11 07:28:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Sable Moran
raukosen wrote:
Grats, you made the entry cost a barrier of entry.
I hope that's what you wanted.


10 plex = 5 bliion ISK (or there abouts)

If an alliance is not able to scrounge 5 bil it is a fail alliance waiting to be dissolved by the next pirate to give them the evil look.

malaire wrote:
EDIT: I could afford this, but I don't have an alliance. Sad ... nor needed PvP skills Roll


Ditto.

The whining is strong in this thread.

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IceGuerilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-05-11 07:29:01 UTC
Wow, with the amount of whingers in this thread, I hope that none of you guys apply and make it easier for the rest of us to get in.
Incidentally, could we please be told the total amount of alliances that have applied before the auction?
Damir Delon
Tribe of One
Injustice League.
#70 - 2012-05-11 08:52:56 UTC
Zastrow wrote:
Let's say that you have an alliance of the minimum size to even have a full team: 12. That's LESS THAN 1 PLEX PER PILOT. And its refunded if you don't get in. If anything it'll create somewhat of a barrier to stupid gimmick alliances applying.

coming from a guy in an alliance with eve win button(tech moons)

if first you dont succeed try again and again and again and so on and so forth because you got the isk
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#71 - 2012-05-11 08:53:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
Rrama Ratamnim wrote:
For the LOVE OF GOD, how do you CEO's not know that you can buy plex's for isk and reverse-redeem them back to the redeem system, you dont need to "buy" plex's for cash for this


at last a voice of reason, buy plexes on the market for isk.


parasite wrote:
10 plexes is 175 euro and the icelandic króna is 163 which means as an alliance leader ill have to spend 28.500,- Kr to apply to the Alliance tourney.

you guys are freakin insane and have lost all concept of money.



unless you buy em with isk (see above) and if you can't afford it, your better not applying because it takes more then 5 billion in ships to compete in the AT.

Raimo wrote:
So you want alliances to fork up a decent sum of "RL money" before letting them know if all is ok with them trying to sign up in the 1st place? Sounds like that could be illegal in some parts of the world, at least for a RL event.


Dumb comment, also, internet lawyer.

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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-05-11 09:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
If 5 billion, which is returned if your bid is unsuccessful, is too much spacemoney how you gonna afford all the tourney setups and ****?
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-05-11 09:24:11 UTC
Meh, I could afford entry into the alliance tournament. Multiple times, even.

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CCP Loxy
C C P
C C P Alliance
#74 - 2012-05-11 09:26:20 UTC
Ok to be clear, you can reverse redeem plex using this simple guide here, that means you don't have to spend any real life money if you don't want to and continue to fund your tournament team purely with isk.

For reference the current cost into the random draw at 10 PLEX is (rough number) 5 billion, this is up from 2 billion in previous years and should be no issue for any team taking the tournament seriously.

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Tosh Lines
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-05-11 09:38:04 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:
Ok to be clear, you can reverse redeem plex using this simple guide here, that means you don't have to spend any real life money if you don't want to and continue to fund your tournament team purely with isk.

For reference the current cost into the random draw at 10 PLEX is (rough number) 5 billion, this is up from 2 billion in previous years and should be no issue for any team taking the tournament seriously.


There is absolutely no logical reason for having the entry fee in PLEX other than to increase demand and therefore the price. It would simply be much easier to have it paid in ISK as normal.

While microtransactions with Aurum may have died a death, the marketing thinking behind it lives on as strong as ever.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#76 - 2012-05-11 09:51:23 UTC
Tosh Lines wrote:
CCP Loxy wrote:
Ok to be clear, you can reverse redeem plex using this simple guide here, that means you don't have to spend any real life money if you don't want to and continue to fund your tournament team purely with isk.

For reference the current cost into the random draw at 10 PLEX is (rough number) 5 billion, this is up from 2 billion in previous years and should be no issue for any team taking the tournament seriously.


There is absolutely no logical reason for having the entry fee in PLEX other than to increase demand and therefore the price. It would simply be much easier to have it paid in ISK as normal.

While microtransactions with Aurum may have died a death, the marketing thinking behind it lives on as strong as ever.


Or maybe CCP has decided that they need to recoup some of the costs of running an event like this, you know like they said in the damn dev blog, and asking for the entry in PLEX is the simplest way to do that. Take your tinfoil off and actually think about it from a business perspective for once.

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Tosh Lines
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-05-11 10:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tosh Lines
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Tosh Lines wrote:
CCP Loxy wrote:
Ok to be clear, you can reverse redeem plex using this simple guide here, that means you don't have to spend any real life money if you don't want to and continue to fund your tournament team purely with isk.

For reference the current cost into the random draw at 10 PLEX is (rough number) 5 billion, this is up from 2 billion in previous years and should be no issue for any team taking the tournament seriously.


There is absolutely no logical reason for having the entry fee in PLEX other than to increase demand and therefore the price. It would simply be much easier to have it paid in ISK as normal.

While microtransactions with Aurum may have died a death, the marketing thinking behind it lives on as strong as ever.


Or maybe CCP has decided that they need to recoup some of the costs of running an event like this, you know like they said in the damn dev blog, and asking for the entry in PLEX is the simplest way to do that. Take your tinfoil off and actually think about it from a business perspective for once.


That makes no sense, I am looking at it from a business perspective.

You can still pay entirely with ISK, but you have to convert it to PLEX and take 10 PLEX of the market per alliance. Thus increasing the demand - when 60+ alliances enter thats 600+ plex bought up in Jita, it has an effect on supply which appears to be the entire point of the exercise. Prices go up, people see the generous ISK return for PLEX and are more interested in buying ISK CCPs legal way.

It's unnecessary and along with fanfest tickets for plex, graphics cards for plex etc... is part of a growing trend. How many player rebellions do CCP need to understand this?
Kalar Freno
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2012-05-11 10:31:41 UTC
Tosh Lines wrote:
It's unnecessary and along with fanfest tickets for plex, graphics cards for plex etc... is part of a growing trend. How many player rebellions do CCP need to understand this?


Because there were huge riots over being able play for fanfest tickets with plex, and that graphics cards for plex thing was really unpopular also - amirite?

Maraner wrote:
Well Goons have money to burn Jita with..... the point I'm making is that CCP is asking people to pay for a chance to fight in the tournament. I've no doubt that we will have no issues getting 10 Plex to enable us to take part in the auction, but how much is it likely to cost to buy a slot?

Can anyone remember how much last years slots went for?


I don't know what the official figures were, but the internet says:

White Noise. - 20bil
GoonSwarm - 19bil
The R0NIN - 15.7bil
Outbreak - 15.1bil
Raivi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-05-11 11:51:58 UTC
Kalar Freno wrote:
Tosh Lines wrote:
It's unnecessary and along with fanfest tickets for plex, graphics cards for plex etc... is part of a growing trend. How many player rebellions do CCP need to understand this?


Because there were huge riots over being able play for fanfest tickets with plex, and that graphics cards for plex thing was really unpopular also - amirite?

Maraner wrote:
Well Goons have money to burn Jita with..... the point I'm making is that CCP is asking people to pay for a chance to fight in the tournament. I've no doubt that we will have no issues getting 10 Plex to enable us to take part in the auction, but how much is it likely to cost to buy a slot?

Can anyone remember how much last years slots went for?


I don't know what the official figures were, but the internet says:

White Noise. - 20bil
GoonSwarm - 19bil
The R0NIN - 15.7bil
Outbreak - 15.1bil


Here's the source.
Rivqua
Omega Wing
#80 - 2012-05-11 12:29:35 UTC
The year before there were 16 auction slots (half of today) and most of them went for the base cost (~2bil). It was only higher last year due to the limited number (4).