Ships & Modules

/me stares at the Drake, walks away quietly muttering

Ok ppl nice feedback!

So far you say that cruisers excel at two situations:

- Adding firepower to frigate gangs.
- Solo roaming. Though my guess that faction/T2 cruisers still outshine them here.

To the ppl saying that cruisers shouldn't stand against a BCs you're right. And I don't expect them to. I expect them to be viable alongside Battlecruisers. Currently if a guy hops into a cruiser he's jeopardizing tha gang as a BC would have numerous advantages.

Maybe a buff in EHP(15% for tier3 and 25% to tier2), PG/CPU(so they become noob friendly in fittings) and extra slots(no more 6/3/3 jokes) would work?

Depends on what you man by "faction." The Navy Issue/Fleet ships are all fairly cheap to buy and fit, not to mention that you can get the hulls and/or BPC's from LP stores (just train X Connections to IV).

If you're talking about pirate faction ships, that's a different story. Those are rightfully expensive because they are generally just THAT much better than the T1 or Navy/Fleet hulls in the same weight class.

As for HAC's, I think some of them need a rework, while others are certainly overpowered (Cerberus comes to mind here).

BC's have too similar a mass compared to cruisers. This isn't so in frigs vs dessies hence the frigs don't suffer as much.

I think the main solution is going to come in the form of reduced relative cost while also granting a slight net performance buff across almost all cruisers. These suggestions are in addition the potential tier removal that we are all so eagerly waiting for,

1. Change cruisers to use small rigs, or change bcs to use large rigs.

2. Increase fitting on almost all t1 cruisers by a small margin... Both the thorax and omen should be able to fit a 1600mm plate with smallest guns (electrons or focused pulse) w/o the use of a fitting rigs or mods.

3. Increase scan resolution to allow for slightly slower locks than destroyers, but significantly faster than bcs. Idea is to make it almost impossible for a BC to exceed a cruisers lock time w/o significantly hindering fit.

4. Increase cruiser velocities and agility by a small margin as well as reduce cruiser sig by a very small margin. Idea is to make BCs universally slower than cruisers even when comparing nano bc vs buffer cruiser.

Outstanding ideas.

Level the field for fitting choices, make a plate cruiser a bit faster than nano BCs, and reduce lock time and sig, would go a long way to making T1 cruisers workable.

T2 cruisers... most need help, thats a whole different can of worms though.

I'm hoping Kali meant the Cerberus needs work,,, The main concern for me is speed, a smaller hull should be faster than a larger hull, if it isn't then its not worth using.

How does one go about losing more money with a Cruiser explosion than with a BC? BCs have:

1. Twice as many turret slots (often the most expensive part of the ship)
2. Significantly more low slots, so you lose more tank or damage mods
3. More medium slots, see #2
4. Usually three rigs to the cruiser's two
5. A more expensive hull to begin with.

I can fit a solid cruiser for about 10M, maybe 15-20 if I'm going all out and running m4 instead of T2 for resources or something. That's less than the base cost of the hull alone for most BCs.

The Cruiser Hull cost 10mil. A slid Cruiser has a T2 Tank, Rigs and T2 Guns. That alone is 20mil. Today Cruisers cost about 30 mil and most of that is in modules.

After that they have less DPS, Tank, Utility and are about 3 times as vulnerable t cap warfare...

But wait! They are supposed to be smaller and faster in return for worse combat stats... Except most of them are not faster then the Nano Cane.

The most flown Cruiser is the 300mil ISK Cynabal. This isn't about ISK, it is about effectiveness. Cynabal is effective so it is flown. Hurricane and Drake are effective so they are flown. Rifter, Thrasher, Merlin are effective so they are flown. A lot of the T1 Cruisers are not. Hell a lot of the HAC's are not.

Should the 300mil Cynable be way better then a T1 Cruiser absolutely. Should 70mil Hurricane be more effective then a 30mil Cruiser absolutely not it should be better at tank and gank.

So why is it running rings around most of them.

Speed isn't the only issue, Dmg, Fitting, Utility, Cap, Tank and Bonuses. CCP admits these are all areas where Cruisers suffer. Some of them are close to fine and others are not. Cost is not a factor in T1 Balance role is.

I don't care if you could fit out a Cruiser for 1 Million ISK if it sucks at its role.

Well, you EFT-warriorred this, but it's not terrible.

Swap a Gyro for a TE, swap the missiles for a medium & small neut and the EM rig for a polycarb and you've got a very solid kiting Rupture.

It's actually a VERY common fit, I have no idea why people are saying it won't work.

Don't use Hail though, stick Barrage in the guns and plink your targets at range. You pull 2.6km/s OH so actually, a lot of frigates and AFs are your prey.

Other cruisers are perfectly viable as well (Vexor / Thorax / Caracal), but the Rupture is a rare example of one being well used.