Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Again, props for the idea, but I really think you are creating here a sub-cap carrier equivalent to a marauder.

It will be great for mission running, and ratting, but I get the feeling that balancing will force it out of PvP interests.

Anything that powerful, that can also live in high sec, would have no value if it could not PvE effectively.

That being said, I still like the idea.

Have it's drones do fighter level damage, if that's what it takes, but being able to chase in warp could be considered OP.

Now, being able to assign like drones to guard, and letting them follow warping fleet members around like puppies, I don't see a problem here. I make the distinction that they won't follow a hostile target off grid from their current location.

I personally think the most useful things on carriers are the logistics, triage, corp hanger and maint bays, ive never looked at them as being 'dps' boats. i liked the comment that said t2 carriers, with the new 'role' orientation ccp are taking with their ships i would place any tech 2 carrier as a support ship, and it would seem logical that they had smaller mass for travelling through wh.

Also, +1 to the pos bashing 'light dreadnought'

How would you set it up?

I had thought of this, but since I am not a capital pilot I am not sure what would work best to have a "light dreadnaught"

Would a ship with the ability to fit Dreadnaught weapons without the ability to go into siege do it?

For instance, a "light dreadnought" with 6 weapon hard points capable of fitting dreadnought sized weapons would only make it about 1.5 times the DPS of a BS, only really viable against capitals, POS's and slow BS's, would be very slow, great tank, and able to move through gates.

Would that work for a light dread?

Perhaps this deserves its own thread. Or this thread should change to a "Sub Cap combat ships" idea thread and edit the OP.

Thoughts?

That would make them a battleship. Might also be worth noting that 10 heavy drones is not equal to normal battleship DPS in any circumstance unless ship bonuses were ridiculously exaggerated. It would basically make them an expensive, weak battleship that is larger and slower, and therefore more vulnerable to capital ships, as well as less versatile.

You also spelled comparable wrong. How do you do that? These forums have spellcheck for god's sake!

bout sums it up.


Caps are the ship to me I put off till I actually need it. Never flown, jsut supported them and that grass ain't so green to have me rushing to them. I'll have Black ops before them most likely lol.

I have seen how slow they move. Not an ideal mission boat for empire. 0.0 they work. Course in 0.0 uits drop into the sanctum and jsut sit there. A gated mission like AE and thye'd get better mission times in the ishkur mentioned. One time i totally dicked up a station cyno for a buddy. It took forever for him to crawl station dock range. the punchline is I did not go omfg all the way out. Carreirs move that damn slow. Felt bad for my buddy and we wer both watching local going man I hope notihng not blue hits local. Aligns like ass, crawls like a snail. Some missions with gates many km's apart, ****, pack a lunch. Empire hauling, no cyno jumps....you'd probably moved rigged bs' faster with a travel fit of nanno and istabs if alot of gates on the route. Or jsut get freighter and courier contract em.

Thier pos rep ability while better than a single logi....is also not the omfg this is so fast they think it is. Did many save and rep ops. Its not like you in support get a chubby when only 1 carrier shows up. Less carreirs on the pos.....longer your are orbitting around gates to keep the system safer. 0.0 pos ops to not be all night still takes quite a few carriers. Its not \o/ the niddy showed up, this will be done in 1-2 cycles.

Which leads to the issus I don't think the empire bears know sometimes people hit pos' jsut to bait fights. they don't want the pos dead . they actually could give a rats ass about it. They want to see what comes to rep and save it . Small corps or 1 mans dec'd by a decent merc corp will not be undocking the carreir if they had it I'd bet. they'll see red in system. If smart they'll neut probe/scan and see hics and or arazus in system. Then if really smart they'l go gee, onyz is a not very common mission ship, nor is it a top 10 suicide gank ride. Wonder why its here?

That's more or less what I had been suggesting, however, all it's specialization was in drones, so it didn't have turrets.

Now, as far as the mini dread, I think that these would serve a very valid purpose in high sec POS bashing, however, I'm willing to bet they'd even drift their way into low/null/wh space in order to see some POS bashing their too.

Many of you have been talking about a "carrier in high sec" but that is NOT the point of the original post. The point of the original post is a smaller, faster VERSION of a carrier that is SLIGHTLY slower than a BS with damage similar to a BS and logistics slightly less than a logi that could jump through gates and help support BS fleets and gangs.

It is NOT supposed to be a carrier in high sec. The only reason it can even go to high sec for all I care is that it can use gates.

I don't live in high sec and could care less about going to high sec. I don't do missions or care about taking it to missions. This is NOT a thread about "give me cap ships in care bear high sec kthanxbye."

What this IS about is where I feel there is a large gap between the gameplay of BS's and the gameplay of capitals that could be filled in in a way that makes sense.

Please don't make this a discussion about something that it is not.

It is NOT about capitals.

Mini dreads is a decent idea but they would definitely need to have dread size guns with no siege bonus allowed. that is just my opinion. 8 BS guns is kinda no big deal, BS's already have that and many of them have damage bonuses to them.

with max drone skills and with a maxed out domi you get roughly 475 ( the drone damage ) dps, add 5 more drones you get something like 950 dps which isnt OP since one of these ships should not be able to fit guns/launchers

orca size, +1 drone per level, +20% drone damage per level and +10km drone control range per level.
This is something I would kill for!!

and ofc be able to use stargates/acceleration gates

Was wondering this very thing myself the other day: Why no sub-cap carrier style ship? Not just a drone boat ( Which tend to more be combat ships that just happen to have Drones too ), but an actual devoted light carrier style ship in each race.

The BS class could use some true diversity. As could the BC class. BC would give it gang links for gang support. Heck, with tiers being done away with you could even repurpose the underutilized Tier 1 BC's for it. It doesn't have to full a truly unique niche, just open up a new and different gameplay option. Focusing on micromanagement and/or support rather than direct pew pew.

Might be worth flying a Prophecy then. -.-

Basically OP wants a Navy Domi.