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I want 1 vs 1 PVP Assurance (Duel System)
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Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#41 - 2012-05-10 15:41:39 UTC
We do have a fair 1v1 system. It's fair until I kill you 1v1, then it's not fair anymore to you.

I can see it now. The big giant Duel Flag popping up in space with rock music kicking in to signify the duel. Can we get a PvP flag that we can toggle on and off, too?

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Idicious Lightbane
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-05-10 15:52:24 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
Its simple mechanics:

1. Invite to Duel tab.

2. Duel accept window with the traditional advise.

3. Both duelers lockdown (Cant be targetted by any other players during Duel).

4. A 15 minute timer (In case non of the duelers cant break each others tank, after 15 minutes Flag goes down).

5. Finally a green wreck only lootable by Duel winner.


I can already think of a multitude of ways this would be abused, people 'dueling' to get through gate camps, hell, an entire fleet could have dual buddies and if they are trapped/don't like the odds just form up duals and move past the enemy fleet with 0 risk, or if you are about to die form up a dual with your alt.
Besides that people in high-sec 'dueling' 24/7 with their alt so that no-one can touch them, or in any space for that matter. It would mean absolute safety in high, low and nullsec whenever you want. You could fix some of these exploits but never all of them.

Besides that it's completely against the philosophy of the game, which is you are never safe anywhere.

If you want some 1v1's that are almost always honored try this:

1. Join Red vs Blue, they have a strict agreed upon 1vs1's must be honored rule, and will kick people from corp who break the rule.

2. Ask for a 1vs1 in a low-sec, if someone agrees, fleet up with them, and have it at your own safe spot. No-one can warp to him, if he drops fleet leave as he's warping his friends in, but that takes time.
Cap James Tkirk
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#43 - 2012-05-10 17:49:26 UTC
i believe in WoW they have legal 1v1 so yaaaaaa
The Sinister
Interbellum
#44 - 2012-05-10 20:42:12 UTC
This is what happens when u try to go PVP Solo.

Started fighting a drake with my Myrm in low sec and guess what happens next.

http://www.shadownetworks.org/eve/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=279

The reality of Eve is that for u to get a 1 vs 1 fight u need to be Verry ******* Lucky.
The Sinister
Interbellum
#45 - 2012-05-10 20:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: The Sinister
Idicious Lightbane wrote:
The Sinister wrote:
Its simple mechanics:

1. Invite to Duel tab.

2. Duel accept window with the traditional advise.

3. Both duelers lockdown (Cant be targetted by any other players during Duel).

4. A 15 minute timer (In case non of the duelers cant break each others tank, after 15 minutes Flag goes down).

5. Finally a green wreck only lootable by Duel winner.


I can already think of a multitude of ways this would be abused, people 'dueling' to get through gate camps, hell, an entire fleet could have dual buddies and if they are trapped/don't like the odds just form up duals and move past the enemy fleet with 0 risk, or if you are about to die form up a dual with your alt.
Besides that people in high-sec 'dueling' 24/7 with their alt so that no-one can touch them, or in any space for that matter. It would mean absolute safety in high, low and nullsec whenever you want. You could fix some of these exploits but never all of them.

Besides that it's completely against the philosophy of the game, which is you are never safe anywhere.

If you want some 1v1's that are almost always honored try this:

1. Join Red vs Blue, they have a strict agreed upon 1vs1's must be honored rule, and will kick people from corp who break the rule.

2. Ask for a 1vs1 in a low-sec, if someone agrees, fleet up with them, and have it at your own safe spot. No-one can warp to him, if he drops fleet leave as he's warping his friends in, but that takes time.


You can only Duel in empire (Hi SEC) mate and cant jump gates if in a duel either
CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-05-10 20:46:35 UTC
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
i believe in WoW they have legal 1v1 so yaaaaaa



GO AWAY INPOSTER!

I liek the OP's idae, the OP is very smrt and experient.
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#47 - 2012-05-10 20:56:46 UTC
CATPAIN KIRK wrote:
Cap James Tkirk wrote:
i believe in WoW they have legal 1v1 so yaaaaaa



GO AWAY INPOSTER!

I liek the OP's idae, the OP is very smrt and experient.


Can we get the STAR team in here? I think they need to propose basic spelling and grammar in the New Player Experience tutorials.

(Yes, I got the joke, and lol'd at work sitting at my desk)

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#48 - 2012-05-10 22:39:34 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
If it is a terrible idea then propose something Better. Something that brings 1 vs 1 PVP to game. and ill accept it


Join NPC corp.
Both players drop something in a can.
Both players steal from other player's can.
Now you can shoot each other and no one else can step in without getting CONCORDed.


Wow, I can see how you couldn't figure that out, that was like imaginary vector calculus stacked on top of rocket surgery and not something even an idiot could come up with in three seconds or anything.
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#49 - 2012-05-10 23:16:11 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:
The Sinister wrote:
If it is a terrible idea then propose something Better. Something that brings 1 vs 1 PVP to game. and ill accept it


Join NPC corp.
Both players drop something in a can.
Both players steal from other player's can.
Now you can shoot each other and no one else can step in without getting CONCORDed.


Wow, I can see how you couldn't figure that out, that was like imaginary vector calculus stacked on top of rocket surgery and not something even an idiot could come up with in three seconds or anything.


Did you hear those trumpets playing worldwide just now?

Look at what you've done...

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#50 - 2012-05-11 02:38:53 UTC
1 vs 1 are(n)a already exists.

Sisi


Mods please lock this thread.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#51 - 2012-05-11 02:49:23 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
If it is a terrible idea then propose something Better. Something that brings 1 vs 1 PVP to game. and ill accept it


1v1s are for tards and should never be brought to this game.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#52 - 2012-05-11 03:43:54 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
If it is a terrible idea then propose something Better. Something that brings 1 vs 1 PVP to game. and ill accept it


Schalac has already given you the best answer possible.

Here tis again:
Evemail Loren Gallen - He honors 1v1's. Others in his corp do too - I was informed that they get corp kick for dishonoring a 1v1 agreement.

I have had arranged fights with him in the past and it's good fun if you both have something big to brawl in.
He smashed my Raven up into space dust and even though I lost my ship - It was some of the best fun i have had PvPing in eve.


Eve does not need a dedicated 1v1 mechanic as it would defeat the purpose of a sandbox game.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Daphny Naarma
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-05-11 08:31:50 UTC
Ofc OP's suggestion could be implemented without exploit: just make it a beacon (limited space pocket) in some of the bigger systems and restrict the "duels" to that area. No one that doesn't want to take part won't be disturbed and there will be no immortal miners. Those who want to duel go there and get happy, those who don't - no one is forcing them to warp there.

Making it global however, is indeed a terribad idea.

Either way, ccp already added wow instancing by "looking for guardian link achiev an geerscore" (read: Incursions), so if "Ogrimmar gates" were added, it's really no big deal. The impact on other players won't be nearly as big.

Wouldn't even be hard to defend this "lore wise". "Some of the major factions decided to set up designated recuperation areas for pilots to blow some steam blah blah...", or the likes.

And no, personally I don't really care. It only struck me that so many raged about it, when there is such an easy and non-invasive solution.
Chimay
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-05-13 06:25:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Chimay
The Sinister wrote:
I strongly believe that a 1 vs 1 PVP system will make Game More FUN. Eve is a social game basicaly YOU cant do everything all by your self. And maybe just maybe if we had the chance to do this SOLO it would make EVE more interesting for new comers.


I love 1v1, hard to find and I like your suggestion. Most blob for ego protection so the idea in gerenal will be hated in the masses, but just know they are out there if you do a lot of hunting.

Edit: It should be fun reviewing the KB of the solo kills with worth from the people that may flame my response.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#55 - 2012-05-13 08:31:54 UTC
No. Don't break the sandbox.

If you want stupid, meaningless dueling go to SiSi, or ask people for 1vs1s. Or just hunt people solo.

.
Axel Greye
Unlikely Suspects
#56 - 2012-05-13 09:52:57 UTC
all the people in this thread saying 1v1 does not exist are the people who are ruining the business for us legitimate 1v1ers. D:<

if you want a legitimate 1v1, find me in Dodixie. :D
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#57 - 2012-05-13 10:37:09 UTC
You can want whatever you feel like but you're not getting it.

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#58 - 2012-05-14 00:11:10 UTC
This is eve, you dont get what you want. You get what you get.



wow is that way >>>
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#59 - 2012-05-14 00:19:40 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
This is what happens when u try to go PVP Solo.

Started fighting a drake with my Myrm in low sec and guess what happens next.

http://www.shadownetworks.org/eve/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=279

The reality of Eve is that for u to get a 1 vs 1 fight u need to be Verry ******* Lucky.


Guessing what happens next:

You never checked D-scan, you get pwnd by a gang.

You did check D-scan but did not consider the time it takes to kill a drake

You checked it, saw it was clear, engaged and never rechecked during the fight at all.

You died to being stupid.

Wanna see what happens when you solo pvp?

http://kb.eveaquila.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23190
http://kb.eveaquila.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23256
http://kb.eveaquila.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=22898
http://kb.eveaquila.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=22451
http://kb.eveaquila.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=22442

The problem with you is, you dont look. You take the first fight you see and just leeroy right into a situation where you can not win or escape, you are stupid, useless and most likely on my kb somewhere.
My killboard is not impressive but its proof that solo pvp is about, as are 1v1's however most of the time expect them to bring friends, just learn to deal with it rather than derping 1 myrm and then going on the forums giving it nag nag nag i want 1v1's nag nag nag.
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#60 - 2012-05-14 17:50:48 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
This is what happens when u try to go PVP Solo.

Started fighting a drake with my Myrm in low sec and guess what happens next.

http://www.shadownetworks.org/eve/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=279

The reality of Eve is that for u to get a 1 vs 1 fight u need to be Verry ******* Lucky.


Or you could just be polite and ask.

http://a7th.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13363731

http://a7th.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13360774

Both were good fights, nicely arranged 1v1.