EVE General Discussion

I don't see how what I do or don't do in high sec impacts you in low/null sec, other than I'm not there. If low/null is so profitable, then this shouldn't be an issue.


Of course, all people are all the same all of the time. Again, you don't know me and what I do in high sec, you only have an assumption.


Yes, because we're all paranoid in Eve. That really helps to foster trust. :)
Again, you've made an assumption on my perception of null. My perception of null has been the majority of postings by low/null sec people who've insulted me and made a lot of assumptions about me.

So why would I want to move to low/null sec and deal with people like that? That's the real problem.

If the goal is to encourage people to move to low/null sec, then this thread hasn't made a positive impact on me. I had thought to move to low/null and try it out. Why? Burn Jita. But this whole thread has actually made me reconsider. I like the social aspects of the game, but I don't want to be sociable with people who have to rely on insults as selling points.

1) If you were CCP, how would you get more players involved in 0.0 space and low sec - without compromising or getting rid of high sec completely?

2) Would you just rather see high sec completely removed? If that is the case, how would you introduce new players into the harsh realities of a game where they can be ganked on sight just for joining the game?

3) If you believe that high sec, low sec and 0.0 can co-exist, what is your solution to bringing balanced game play to 0.0, low and high sec space that is amiable to all concerned?

A good reason to move to nullsec would be the turning the isk faucet in highsec down a little bit, giving you a reason to venture beyond 0.5. I once held the exact position you have now, until I decided to try null out for myself. No longer was I tied to "go here, kill caldari mercs" or "mine 100 units of **** you cant even sell on the market."

On which foundation do you believe that nerfing high sec will push people in 0.0?

0.0 sucks because 0.0 gives a single dimensional gameplay totally centered around group ships PvP.
There's plenty of people who get all excited seeing their small tractor beam BPO "ding" 1000 ME instead of wasting an afternoon sitting at a bubble camp.

Plus it's not like you are welcome to 0.0 if you want to do missions, research etc. You get told "lol idiot we already have ALTS for it, now get your ass on that T2 fitted BS and go die in a blob".


It's tiresome seeing people hammering on the "NERF HI SEC SO THEY MOVE TO 0.0!" because believe it or not, a large number of people don't give a frack about pixellated currency.

Remove them 10% ISK and then? They still stay where they can research their BPO instead of being told their alts can't join the alliance because some brass can't be arsed adding alt corps as blues, another brass won't EVER give your alts POS labs slots and so on.

There's just too much unfun and tedious sh!t to endure in 0.0 to do what you otherwise can easily do in your spare time in hi or low sec.

OK, skilled pristine killboard heroes will want to go there, join their dream fleet and have their fun.

All the others? Can't be arsed. Money or not money.
Only way to change their mind is to make hi sec so poor or crappy that they will just quit the game. Not come to 0.0.

Negative reinforcement is never an answer to a problem like this. Nerfing high-sec income, moving incursions or high level missions to lowsec, etc... will not convince people to move to those areas in any reasonable number. They will simply remain in high-sec and live with lesser incomes; or stop playing Eve, which is definitely not what we should want.

This issue isn't one of game design, but of players. There's a great deal of misunderstanding and misrepresentation among high-sec inhabitants in regards to null-sec (I won't discuss low-sec as I have little experience there) and that is our fault.

Null-sec players are seen as psychopaths that will murder them the second they jump into a 0.0 system, which is true. Null-sec alliances are seen as xenophobic, monolithic entities that they can never be a part of. This isn't true, and in fact many null-sec alliances will recruit anyone with a pulse, but the handful of alliances with insane recruitment policies have poisoned the well. Everyone just assumes outright that they won't get in so they don't try. Null-sec is viewed as unreachable by newbies which is utterly ridiculous as often proven by my own alliance, but we're the exception not the rule. Null-sec inhabitants seem to love harping on about how no one has a place in null-sec until they've suffered in empire for two years first.

All of this is reinforced by the common "****-You-Got-Mine" attitude often seen in null-sec alliances. Other than a small handful of alliances which are held together by factors outside of Eve-Online, most null-sec alliances are just lose groupings of people who are only interested in their own self gain. Look at alliances that have been destroyed by other null-sec powers, nearly all of them fall to pieces from within long before their territory has been conquered. Very few alliances have any sort of social system in place or method or redistributing alliance wealth to their members. There are no systems in place for fostering and mentoring newbies. There's no firm cultural image that makes a person care about their alliance over themselves.

Why the hell would anyone want to go into null-sec knowing that they're just a warm body making some CEO fat tax income stacks. Knowing they will be abandoned the moment any sort of conflict comes to their space. Knowing that the people in their corp and alliance chats have no interest in anyone else's success.

Eve is a sandbox with a loose rule set that leaves all the real content in our hands. Its up to players to make null-sec inviting to other players, not CCP.

EVE's previous history with shifting risk/reward balance has shown rather conclusively that EVE players make their isk-generating decisions based on calculated measurements of risk made in pursuit in of X reward. When Dominion came out and sov upgrades greatly increased the profitability of entire regions of space by access to grav belts and anomalies, people flocked from highsec to null because the rewards were good enough to justify the risk. When the anom-nerf hit, everyone moved back to highsec because the rewards no longer justified said risk. Living in 0.0 became a competitive disadvantage when it came to the bottom line - their wallets. This problem was even greater emphasized when CCP massively boosted agent quality in highsec, and introduced broken hisec incursions for players to print isk with - not grinding isk in highsec was essentially giving up free money. So more people moved to highsec as a result.

Never done an anomaly in 0.0
I'd stayed in hi sec if I wanted to shoot red crosses you know.

But hey, as I posted above, it's 0.0 players who flip their alts back and from hi sec, NOT hi sec players.

This statement is true.
Anomalies are good ISK.
I'm telling the truth.