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Probably. But why would I go to low/null sec? If it's so great, why is it that low/null sec people hate on high sec people?



Why is the answer always "nerf high sec", again why go to low/null sec? What's the draw? If it's to hang out with the people I see representing low/null sec in this thread, well then they aren't the kind of people I want to hang out with.

I am part of said crowd, being both a time-challenged and casual player. The whole point of my posts were to tell other people from "said crowd" that your viewpoint is not the only one and that other styles of play were available.


Christ, starting to feel like I'm talking to some Indahwahwah alt... No one is trying to take away your play style, ignore the trolls, move along.

Because there are far more minerals to mine and rats to harvest. And not all null/low people hate highseccers, we hate their "give me more, while limiting my interaction" attitudes (MOAR reward for less time put in). And the answer is nerfing highsec. You need more incentive to risk more. If all you want to do is mine by yourself, why dont you play Farmville?

You know, my main's corp regularly recruits from highsec, and we are a good group of people, and as such, not everyone posting in here is representative of null.

I have a hypothetical question for null proponents.

Bit of background, first.

Take one EVE character who knows full well the dire endless monotony of high-sec after her 201st Angel Xtra or one millionth plagiocase roid and is utterly drained by it at the time of this writing. She once, upon her travels, did spy a Rorqual doing Rorqual-y things during a very rare trip out of the 'safety' of high-sec and from that time onwards, knew that Rorquals were the very thing for her, as an EVE 'end-game' of sorts.

She saved the iskies for the skillbooks but, however, remains in high-sec and more often than not nowadays, low-sec because of the friends she has made there. That transition from high to low-sec was much easier than she had anticipated thanks in no small part to a bit of day-to-day common sense attitude. She hopes that a second transition to null, where she would love to end up is as easy -yet her final destination is still unresolved.

She will very shortly be able to build Rorquals and in the near future, use them. Please, what advice would null proponents give this player if she was hell-bent on finally getting shot of the drab high-sec routine for the most part?

Where should she start, or are Rorqual pilots considered carebears of another flavour, and therefore already unworthy in the eyes of the most coolest of people?


Btw, wormholes she already does, not too interested in them beyond certain, minor, aspects.

And yet this doesn't seem to draw people there. Why not?


Well I hate your attitude of knowing what all highseccers are like. Again, not a selling point to be insulting people. I don't much like your attitude of you have to come to low/null sec because....?

How do you know what I do in highsec? Why do you say I mine by myself? You don't even know what I do. You're making assumptions, you're not engaging your audience and your audience doesn't care for you, and your audience now doesn't want to move to low/null sec. So again, you lose. If your purpose is to get people to move to low/null sec, then do so in a positive way. Otherwise, all I'm left with is that all low/null seccers are big jerks. Not the sort of people I want to spend time with in a game.



And yet, no information on this main and their corp and how to contact them. Why is that? Again, if you want to convince people to move to low/null sec, make it as easy and be as helpful as possible.

Otherwise, why in the universe would I want to hang out with a bunch of jerks in a game I play to relax and have fun?

Negative reinforcement is never an answer to a problem like this. Nerfing high-sec income, moving incursions or high level missions to lowsec, etc... will not convince people to move to those areas in any reasonable number. They will simply remain in high-sec and live with lesser incomes; or stop playing Eve, which is definitely not what we should want.

This issue isn't one of game design, but of players. There's a great deal of misunderstanding and misrepresentation among high-sec inhabitants in regards to null-sec (I won't discuss low-sec as I have little experience there) and that is our fault.

Null-sec players are seen as psychopaths that will murder them the second they jump into a 0.0 system, which is true. Null-sec alliances are seen as xenophobic, monolithic entities that they can never be a part of. This isn't true, and in fact many null-sec alliances will recruit anyone with a pulse, but the handful of alliances with insane recruitment policies have poisoned the well. Everyone just assumes outright that they won't get in so they don't try. Null-sec is viewed as unreachable by newbies which is utterly ridiculous as often proven by my own alliance, but we're the exception not the rule. Null-sec inhabitants seem to love harping on about how no one has a place in null-sec until they've suffered in empire for two years first.

All of this is reinforced by the common "****-You-Got-Mine" attitude often seen in null-sec alliances. Other than a small handful of alliances which are held together by factors outside of Eve-Online, most null-sec alliances are just lose groupings of people who are only interested in their own self gain. Look at alliances that have been destroyed by other null-sec powers, nearly all of them fall to pieces from within long before their territory has been conquered. Very few alliances have any sort of social system in place or method or redistributing alliance wealth to their members. There are no systems in place for fostering and mentoring newbies. There's no firm cultural image that makes a person care about their alliance over themselves.

Why the hell would anyone want to go into null-sec knowing that they're just a warm body making some CEO fat tax income stacks. Knowing they will be abandoned the moment any sort of conflict comes to their space. Knowing that the people in their corp and alliance chats have no interest in anyone else's success.

Eve is a sandbox with a loose rule set that leaves all the real content in our hands. Its up to players to make null-sec inviting to other players, not CCP.

Because currently, you can run incursions all day and make billions. Hence, nerf highsec.

And I know the attitudes of highseccers cause I once was one. Miners are the worst in highsec, they dont learn how to fit their ships properly, and when they do, they dont activate the modules and mine afk, and come crying to you when you gank their hulk, because even concord couldnt save them. EVE is a game of risk vs reward, planning and outcomes. It is THE thinking man and woman's MMO.

And I use an alt to post here, and sometimes my main. Its just not information I give out freely, unless you show some interest. Again, Id love to bring you into my corp and show you how your perception of null is off from what it really is.

Last time I looked Eve was still being sold as a sandbox game. Go where you want, play how you want. Null is not an end game that everyone should strive for or be pushed into, it is a choice.

Hi, low and null have different play styles and that means more people playing the game. Nerf Hi into the ground and you just cut down the customer base.

Null is already richer than high. Rats pay more, exploration pays more, mining pays more. Moon goo may not be an ISK faucet but it transfers lots of ISK from high to null as well.

Just relax and enjoy null if that's your style, stop worrying why other people don't want to.

I don't see how what I do or don't do in high sec impacts you in low/null sec, other than I'm not there. If low/null is so profitable, then this shouldn't be an issue.


Of course, all people are all the same all of the time. Again, you don't know me and what I do in high sec, you only have an assumption.


Yes, because we're all paranoid in Eve. That really helps to foster trust. :)
Again, you've made an assumption on my perception of null. My perception of null has been the majority of postings by low/null sec people who've insulted me and made a lot of assumptions about me.

So why would I want to move to low/null sec and deal with people like that? That's the real problem.

If the goal is to encourage people to move to low/null sec, then this thread hasn't made a positive impact on me. I had thought to move to low/null and try it out. Why? Burn Jita. But this whole thread has actually made me reconsider. I like the social aspects of the game, but I don't want to be sociable with people who have to rely on insults as selling points.

You don't read well, do you?




I really could care less about them. They aren't where I want to be.


You don't read well, do you?