EVE General Discussion

Before the insurance nerf, it was about the same cost to use a Thorax or Brutix as it was to use a pair of Catalysts. Because of insurance and because you could use low meta equipment on the Thorax or Brutix instead of T2 on the pair of Catalysts.

A T1 fit suicide Brutix would run somewhere around 40m with an insurance payout of 35m
A pair of T2 fit suicide Catalysts would run somewhere around 25m with an insurance payout of 2m.

Brutix costs 5m to use, Catalysts cost 23m to use. Good job knowing how ganking works, really, fantastic.

A thorax with low meta equipment would have a hard time killing a hulk before concord shows up. So this is incorrect i belive also but must check it.

A brutix with fiting probably yes will run you to around 40m amd would kill a hulk, do doubt.

But to tell me that you are spending 23m on a suicide destroyer is just BS.
15m is more than enough to gank a hulk. You dont need tank at all. So who are you trying to sell that story?
That is at normal jita prices. Now if you build it all yourself, then its even cheaper. XD

Barges are Tech 2 ships, thats why you can't fully insure them

I trust the GSF representative. And a thorax might, but that's why I used a Brutix for price comparison.



Read it again. ~25m is for 2 Suicide Destroyers, T2 Fit. Looking at pyfa, I get 15.3m per Catalyst. So I was lowballing the price.

The Brutix, pre-insurance nerf would have been low meta fit and cost less than 10m to lose in a gank.

Again, the reason for the switch to Destroyers is the Insurance nerf no longer subsidizing larger ships. That's it. The dessy buff was a bonus, but the switch happened because of the insurance nerf that every single carebear was clamoring for and cheered when it happened.

Finally:
MINERALS YOU MINE/STUFF YOU BUILD ISN'T FREE.

I'm not looking for anything, I am just offering a suggestion. However I shouldn't have to turn to a battleship to do mining, you would think lorewise that ORE would see it as an opening for another type of ship for them to market. Also, I would expect a T3 ship that is tankier to have lower yield anyway. It just give better options, and options are a good thing.

If the solution to suicide ganking is use a Rohk instead of a Mining barge then every miner in the game should ask for their skill points back they spent skilling into barges instead of Batlleships.

Ok, all of your barge SP in exchange for Cal Cruiser 4, Cal BS 1. Way to think through that deal.

Besides, the Rokh is just way to sacrifice yield for EHP, it isn't by itself a solution to anything. It does make you tankier than the next guy, so people are less likely to gank you (in favor of the guy next to you in a hulk).

Other solutions to avoid getting ganked:
Mine aligned (yes it's a pain, PvP is like that even[especially] when you don't want it)
Keep an eye on D-Scan
Keep an eye on local
Keep a Logi presence to discourage Destroyer ganks (alpha is more expensive than dps)
Mine in Lowsec
Mine in Nullsec

The list goes on. The problem that the whiney miners have is not the ship, it's not the gankers, it's the lack of any ability to adapt.

The gankers lost insurance payouts, they adapted and moved to destroyers. The miners see this adaption, so they cry and shit their pants. The gankers (and friends) offer the miners ways to make the ganker's lives harder. The miners hear this, so they cry and shit their pants.

Besides all that, FotM changes have never resulted in SP refunds, and that's what any large scale shift to BS mining would be. One ship becomes less useful and another more as a result of player actions.