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CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#1 - 2012-05-10 17:12:47 UTC  |  Edited by: CPT JHawk007
Hello all,

I need help to better understand about missiles maybe im missing something. I dont know but im at my wits end on this and cant figure out how to proceed.

Character sheet here: Character sheet

Now to the issue

Using EFT ive been flying a drake for most of this characters life before jumping into a bs was doing really well with l4s and constant damage though it took a while to complete the missions Drake does with my skills 244 dps which is not alot but for mission boat have to have a tank. Volley is 2200 about now i can constantly wack all ships for around 1200 - 1400 volley on average. except frigs.

So i decided to speed up my mission running experience by getting into a bs and use Cruise at the time i used t1 cruise not sure what average volleys i did but it was a long time ago before i used t2 cruise. I tried T2 Fury and T2 precisions for cruise on raven Dps is 599 and volley dmg of 4285 with Fury's for T2 Precisions its 405 DPS and 2901 Volley.

Ok these are both really good on EFT but this is not what im seeing in the l4s the DPS is correct but when you actually put it to the test these missiles are mostly doing as much or just doing a little bit better than drake with average volley of 1300 or so.

Raven fit for those that are curious.

[4x BCUs II]
[CPU Co-Processor II]

[2x Ballistic Deflection Field II]
[2x Heat disipation Field II]
[X large shield booster II]
[Shield Booster Amplifier II]

[6x Cruise Missile Launcher II]

[3x Semiconductor Memory Cell I]

What i use against Serps and Guristas

So i decided recently to do T2 Torpedos which i wanted to use Javs which i knew whould hit further which it does at 32km with raven though i wish it was 37km but stupid -4% to velocity on missile. Raven does with Javs with skills 632 DPS and 4146 volley damage with Rage its 899 DPS and 5896 Volley.

Now mind you im doing this against battleships i understand using torps and cruise hitting smaller targets = less damage but when i use these against battleships like serps, angels, sanshas its the same thing average volley on torps is 1700 and they all bounce around like this 465 782 1872 461 3265 and 1971 with torps simular to cruise.

The question is how do i eliminate this proplem so it hit near as constant as heavy's using t2 ammo from cruise or torps. It is not funny to see 600 volley damage at 1200 isk a missile

Raven Torp fit

[3x BCUs II]
[CPU Co-Processor II]
[Damage control Unit]

[2x Ballistic Deflection Field II]
[Heat disipation Field II]
[Phased weapon navigation array Generator]
[X large shield booster II]
[Shield Booster Amplifier II]

[6x Cruise Missile Launcher II]

[3x Semiconductor Memory Cell I]

Forgot my TP on raven torp fit
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#2 - 2012-05-10 17:46:15 UTC  |  Edited by: McRoll
I suggest no one comments on that because it's a too obvious troll. You shouldnt link your char if you wanna troll.
CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#3 - 2012-05-10 17:48:10 UTC
McRoll wrote:
I suggest no one comments on that because it's a too obvious troll. You shouldnt link your char if you wanna troll.


What do you mean troll im not here to troll Shocked
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#4 - 2012-05-10 18:09:35 UTC
Hmm judging by your post history you might not be a troll. But then again such obvious mistakes and a 2009 char.... it's difficult and I am confused what to believe :)

Who solves the mystery whether this is troll or not?
Vito Antonio
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-05-10 18:11:19 UTC
CPT JHawk007 wrote:


[4x Damage control II]
Nuneval
Lima Carrillo Research
#6 - 2012-05-10 18:13:44 UTC
CPT JHawk007 wrote:
McRoll wrote:
I suggest no one comments on that because it's a too obvious troll. You shouldnt link your char if you wanna troll.


What do you mean troll im not here to troll Shocked


He thinks you're serious about fitting multiple damage controls onto your Raven. Do you perhaps mean you have 4x Ballistic Control Unit II on your ship?

In general, you want to use a raven with 3x missile signature radius rigs (rigor) if you're going to be using fury cruise missiles. There are many factors that mitigate missile damage: target resistance, target speed, and target signature radius. It's been a while since I've used missiles, but I remember torpedoes being terrible against anything with a bit of speed. Unless you're in a golem with the target painter bonus, torpedoes really aren't worth it.

With cruise missiles on a raven, stick with T1 or faction ammo. T2 missiles at that size aren't really very good. What kind of numbers are you getting with T1 ammo versus battleship NPCs?
CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#7 - 2012-05-10 18:14:10 UTC
Vito Antonio wrote:
CPT JHawk007 wrote:


[4x Damage control II]



FFS good catch 4x Ballistics Control Units on on cruise raven and 3x BCUs on Torp fit gonna edit it now
Hans Momaki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-05-10 18:16:11 UTC
Man, this is the most awesome raven fit i've ever Seen !
..........

N1ce1.
CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#9 - 2012-05-10 18:17:06 UTC
Nuneval wrote:
CPT JHawk007 wrote:
McRoll wrote:
I suggest no one comments on that because it's a too obvious troll. You shouldnt link your char if you wanna troll.


What do you mean troll im not here to troll Shocked


He thinks you're serious about fitting multiple damage controls onto your Raven. Do you perhaps mean you have 4x Ballistic Control Unit II on your ship?

In general, you want to use a raven with 3x missile signature radius rigs (rigor) if you're going to be using fury cruise missiles. There are many factors that mitigate missile damage: target resistance, target speed, and target signature radius. It's been a while since I've used missiles, but I remember torpedoes being terrible against anything with a bit of speed. Unless you're in a golem with the target painter bonus, torpedoes really aren't worth it.

With cruise missiles on a raven, stick with T1 or faction ammo. T2 missiles at that size aren't really very good. What kind of numbers are you getting with T1 ammo versus battleship NPCs?


Indeed going to edit it now
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#10 - 2012-05-10 18:18:19 UTC
Hans Momaki wrote:
Man, this is the most awesome raven fit i've ever Seen !



My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#11 - 2012-05-10 18:24:32 UTC
CPT JHawk007 wrote:
Nuneval wrote:
CPT JHawk007 wrote:
McRoll wrote:
I suggest no one comments on that because it's a too obvious troll. You shouldnt link your char if you wanna troll.


What do you mean troll im not here to troll Shocked


He thinks you're serious about fitting multiple damage controls onto your Raven. Do you perhaps mean you have 4x Ballistic Control Unit II on your ship?

In general, you want to use a raven with 3x missile signature radius rigs (rigor) if you're going to be using fury cruise missiles. There are many factors that mitigate missile damage: target resistance, target speed, and target signature radius. It's been a while since I've used missiles, but I remember torpedoes being terrible against anything with a bit of speed. Unless you're in a golem with the target painter bonus, torpedoes really aren't worth it.

With cruise missiles on a raven, stick with T1 or faction ammo. T2 missiles at that size aren't really very good. What kind of numbers are you getting with T1 ammo versus battleship NPCs?


Indeed going to edit it now



I would have to see what t1s do because i havnt used t1s in like forever on EFT is 382 DPS and 3158 Volley damage id have to put it through an L4 to see any changes
Hans Momaki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-05-10 18:25:37 UTC
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Hans Momaki wrote:
Man, this is the most awesome raven fit i've ever Seen !



My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


Good lord it's gettin better....
Orlacc
#13 - 2012-05-10 18:29:53 UTC
Here:

6x Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
1x Small Tractor Beam I
Mid Slots:

1x X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
1x Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
3x Mission Specific Hardeners
1x Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter
Low Slots:

4x Ballistic Control System II
1x Damage Control II
Rig Slots:

3x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#14 - 2012-05-10 18:31:43 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Here:

6x Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
1x Small Tractor Beam I
Mid Slots:

1x X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
1x Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
3x Mission Specific Hardeners
1x Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter
Low Slots:

4x Ballistic Control System II
1x Damage Control II
Rig Slots:

3x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Thats an interesting fit may do how does it do in l4s? average volley?
Just Alter
Futures Abstractions
#15 - 2012-05-10 18:41:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Just Alter
how do i delete posts?
Just Alter
Futures Abstractions
#16 - 2012-05-10 18:42:02 UTC
Quote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


Wat?

What where you doing with that thing?
Orlacc
#17 - 2012-05-10 18:45:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
CPT JHawk007 wrote:
Orlacc wrote:
Here:

6x Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
1x Small Tractor Beam I
Mid Slots:

1x X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
1x Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
3x Mission Specific Hardeners
1x Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter
Low Slots:

4x Ballistic Control System II
1x Damage Control II
Rig Slots:

3x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Thats an interesting fit may do how does it do in l4s? average volley?



Been a long time, but it did great in L4s. Could not tell you volley. Probably 2500 or so. It's a very effective cookie-cutter fit. Got to have rigors.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#18 - 2012-05-10 18:47:11 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
CPT JHawk007 wrote:
Orlacc wrote:
Here:

6x Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
1x Small Tractor Beam I
Mid Slots:

1x X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
1x Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
3x Mission Specific Hardeners
1x Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter
Low Slots:

4x Ballistic Control System II
1x Damage Control II
Rig Slots:

3x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Thats an interesting fit may do how does it do in l4s? average volley?



Been a long time, but it did great in L4s. Could not tell you volley. It's a very effective cookie-cutter fit. Got to have rigors.


Thanks this may help me alot even though my current set up was all over the place with volleys this maybe the answer
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-05-10 19:54:43 UTC
Just Alter wrote:
Quote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


Wat?

What where you doing with that thing?

He was trolling you with a meme thats about 3 years old or so.
Boomhaur
#20 - 2012-05-11 05:06:33 UTC
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
Just Alter wrote:
Quote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


Wat?

What where you doing with that thing?

He was trolling you with a meme thats about 3 years old or so.


NO that's a Templar it's an Ammarian fighter drone used by carriers.

Another meme. Just ignore these things and use the cookie cutter setup, or go back to the drake and train up to T2 missiles and use an AB to get close to the BS's with defender missiles so they don't have time to use them. I think this is what I used to use, tight on fitting so swap parts as needed. A raven will do missions better, but if your low SP I would recommend staying with the drake and making everything T2 first than work on your Raven skills, sounds wierd but bad skills on a Raven = bad ship, where as the drake is more forgiving.

[Drake, LV4 copy 1] 510 dps 2762 volley
Power Diagnostic System II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Auto Targeting System I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

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