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Will CCP ever make the t2 plates worth fitting?

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#1 - 2012-05-10 16:23:07 UTC
Seriously.
CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2012-05-10 16:25:25 UTC
Added ~15% HP to them all this morning, probably won't be on TQ until after the summer though.
illirdor
Upper Class Goat
#3 - 2012-05-10 16:28:01 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Added ~15% HP to them all this morning, probably won't be on TQ until after the summer though.


why not 20% ?? not a troll...

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CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2012-05-10 16:31:00 UTC
illirdor wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Added ~15% HP to them all this morning, probably won't be on TQ until after the summer though.


why not 20% ?? not a troll...


Because 15% felt like a nice compromise between "make them obviously better than RRT" and "don't make them so powerful they significantly change the balance of the game", pretty much.
Spurty
#5 - 2012-05-10 16:32:13 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Added ~15% HP to them all this morning, probably won't be on TQ until after the summer though.


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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#6 - 2012-05-10 16:33:57 UTC
Thank you CCP Greyscale.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#7 - 2012-05-10 16:35:43 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:

Are you not pushing a bunch of module changes at once so there is enough time to scrutinize the brand new modules? Why cant these be shoved in?
Plato Idari
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#8 - 2012-05-10 17:18:36 UTC
I'd like to suggest that you also reduce the mass addition to only a little bit more than meta4, for those of us armor tankers (gallente) who care about speed.

At the moment T2 plates are 36% heavier than meta4 plates.
I think it would be more reasonable if they were between 10% and 20% heavier.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#9 - 2012-05-10 17:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
CCP Greyscale wrote:
illirdor wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Added ~15% HP to them all this morning, probably won't be on TQ until after the summer though.


why not 20% ?? not a troll...


Because 15% felt like a nice compromise between "make them obviously better than RRT" and "don't make them so powerful they significantly change the balance of the game", pretty much.



Why the hell only after the summer? Why not change those few stats, ship the new plates with Inferno and if it doesn't work out just iterate on them after the summer.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-05-10 17:20:46 UTC
armor invuln hardeners, now t2 plates, shield rigs getting nerfed , slave set still good as ever

good time to be Amarr
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-05-10 17:24:29 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Added ~15% HP to them all this morning, probably won't be on TQ until after the summer though.


Because there's not quite enough buffer-tanking in game already? LolRoll

Good god CCP, in F&I Ytterbium is talking about how to rebalance the game away from HP buffers and to make active tanks more useful. Then you come in with an idea that has exactly the opposite effect. Lol

Not to mention that the biggest beneficiaries of this will be BS, even though BS are already massively skewed towards armour buffers anyway.

There's plenty of T2 modules that offer no advantage over best-named, except for being manufacturable. If you really want to make T2 plates more useful without affecting the metagame, then don't add HP to T2 plates, remove HP from T1 and named plates instead.
Iamien
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-05-10 17:37:31 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
illirdor wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Added ~15% HP to them all this morning, probably won't be on TQ until after the summer though.


why not 20% ?? not a troll...


Because 15% felt like a nice compromise between "make them obviously better than RRT" and "don't make them so powerful they significantly change the balance of the game", pretty much.



Why the hell only after the summer? Why not change those few stats, ship the new plates with Inferno and if it doesn't work out just iterate on them after the summer.



ATX. buffing tanks so much before a tournament could possible wreck havoc.
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#13 - 2012-05-10 17:57:09 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
armor invuln hardeners, now t2 plates, shield rigs getting nerfed , slave set still good as ever

good time to be Amarr

where is armor invul??

where is shield rig get nerfed???
craidie
Not the corporation you're looking for -move along
#14 - 2012-05-10 18:07:07 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Added ~15% HP to them all this morning, probably won't be on TQ until after the summer though.


While you're at it how about nano, CPR, SPR, I-stab, SeBo, cap flux coils, micro aux, MLU.... and many other modules that have better meta 4 counter part than t2.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-05-10 18:10:26 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
craidie wrote:
While you're at it how about nano, CPR, SPR, I-stab, SeBo, cap flux coils, micro aux, MLU.... and many other modules that have better meta 4 counter part than t2.


80% of the modules you listed are hardly used anyway...
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Get Isk or Die Mining
#16 - 2012-05-10 18:19:09 UTC
So... 15% buff this morning, yet we won't get the change until after the summer?

Déjà vu
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#17 - 2012-05-10 18:21:50 UTC
Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:
So... 15% buff this morning, yet we won't get the change until after the summer?

Déjà vu


Seems someone didn't read the last part, since they are already trying to manipulate the 1600mm T2 plate in Jita.

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Acquisitioneer
Phantom Division
#18 - 2012-05-10 18:30:51 UTC
Will CCP ever make the T2 MWD worth fitting?
Doddy
Excidium.
#19 - 2012-05-10 20:11:56 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:

Not to mention that the biggest beneficiaries of this will be BS, even though BS are already massively skewed towards armour buffers anyway.

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Oh dear. You are quite wrong, it will benefit t3s and t2 cruisers/bcs the most (its in the resists). Yes even with the tighter fitting. Doubly so once you consider the bs are hurt by the mass more (hello bombers)
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-05-10 21:49:28 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
illirdor wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Added ~15% HP to them all this morning, probably won't be on TQ until after the summer though.


why not 20% ?? not a troll...


Because 15% felt like a nice compromise between "make them obviously better than RRT" and "don't make them so powerful they significantly change the balance of the game", pretty much.

Is it generally the idea that T2 be "better" with the trade off of proportionally higher fitting requirements or cap use? And any thought to taking a looks at some of the other mods that don't have advantages with their T2 versions over meta 4?
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