EVE General Discussion

Ah, sorry. I just skimmed over a good part of the back-and-forth above. Yes, something like that seems like an easy alternative which is in line with other Eve processes. Not sure what they had in mind when they designed the system differently in the first place.

you dont have to farm standing & get the proper skills (which are out of range for new pilots btw), fly to the agent to start research, then collect the datacores and haul them to the station where you need them? none of those activities are passive, just like clicking a button to start a manufacturing job.

PI is not different to datacore research, you set something up once and then you can run it forever and once in a while you have to move to receive the profit.

market pvp is passive income, I set up the orders and once in a while I have to modify them.

mining is passive income, you press button to start the miner, then you have to wait PASSIVELY till the miner finishes.

I could go on with a pretty long list.

CCP please remove EvE cause every activity contains some passive behavior.... trololo

You miss the point, since all you do is describe things that have to be done before you can start the research project. Once that is done, the RP pile will keep growing indefinitely with zero input from you. With PI you need regular maintenance activity to keep things going even after that initial effort. With reseach agents that regular maintenance is missing entirely. This is something CCP is now frowning upon and wants to introduce alternatives/nerf it.

none of those activity have to do with it? can you please enlightem me how I can set up research of datacores without doing those activities?

oh and my PI requires pretty much no activity, just like datacores I haul stuff to the planet, then haul stuff away from the planet.

you have not brought a single valid argument till now in this 6 pages long thread and make yourself look very stupid :) please go on, its too funny.


PI requires maintenance? thats news and you are obvioulsy doing it wrong. my PI requires no activity beside hauling the products, just like datacore research.

you can even go further and say that pretty much every aspect of eve requires no activity beside pressing some buttons and moving stuff to a certain place in the eve universe. that is how the game works and changing one semi passive feature actually does nothing cause it leaves several others that are still semi passive.


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You keep stretching the truth Tippia, I'm sure it will never snap.

Accumulation of RP is of absolutely no value to anybody. The only time the value is realised is when the RP are converted to data cores, then shipped to market. So where you would wander around your PI installations (which are conveniently nearby since you intentionally put them there) and restart your harvesting operation, the data core farmer has to travel to the various R&D agents to redeem the RP for data cores. No data cores, no ISK.

Datacore farming is not a completely passive process. Raving on about RP accrual being totally passive is meaningless, since you are intentionally ignoring the very active component of redeeming RP for data cores.

Datacore farming is the only profession left where logistics are an issue: there is no cyno jumping to your agents to pick the cores up. There's no rearranging your agents to all be conveniently close to you. There's just you wandering around on a 50-odd jump tour on each character doing R&D, collecting the data cores and hauling them to market.

Don't get entirely fixated on the RP accrual, since the RP accrual is meaningless without the redemption and hauling component of this activity.

…something that doesn't have anything to do with keeping the RP accumulation going.

…which has nothing to do with keeping the RP accumulation going.

…none of which has anything to do with keeping the RP accumulation going.

Try reading. See if you can spot the reoccurring theme. It should be pretty obvious by now (and it was glaringly obvious long before you decided to repeat everything that had already been stated, thus starting a new round of explaining it).

So you're saying that it's not true that you either have to keep feeding a planet with materials for further refinement, or adjust or restart planet extractors to make the planet produce its own materials and feeding the process that way?

Or are you saying that it's not true that you can leave an R&D agent alone for years on end without the slightest bit of input and still have it produce RP?

Yes, they're absolutely worthless. That's why everyone is so up in arms about them being moved shared with FW.
Who's stretching the truth now?

The simple fact remains: the accumulation or RP is passive; PI is not.

Yeah, but you see, by that token, PI is also worthless and you can stop raving about it. But even so, to produce its worthless stuff, you have to be active in the PI process. No matter how much you try to twist things, this is not true for RP because the latter is a passive process and the former is not.

…and it's still a passive process, unlike PI, which requires maintenance. This is why they're changing the passive process to be much less effective and to come in direct competition with an active accumulation process.

No RP is not being moved or shared with FW. Datacores are, they are two different things.

My belief is that the change they are making is only going to increase the income they are trying to eliminate but hurt the actual people who use the datacores for invention. They have not eliminated the accumulation of RP. I can't see that FW is going to replace the supply lost by the 50% reduction in RP accumulation. Which means the price of the datacores is actually going to increase I can easily see the prices going from 200K to 400K. At 400K income stays the same for income gathers but for Inventors they have 50% less supply which means cost for invention goes up. Datacores over 400K and the income is higher than what it is now.

Here is what I think they should do.
Leave the datacores out FW.
2 options:
1. Have missions required weekly to keep RP accumulating. (And I am not talking some courier mission that takes 5 minutes)
2. Remove the R&D agents and make me reverse engineer meta 1 items for Datacores.

As I've mentioned in previous posts, the key difference to me is that if you don't attend to your PI or manufacturing or skill-queue regularly, those things run out.

R&D agents don't. They keep chugging away whether or not you ever visit them. Once a month or once a year you can roll around in your crane and collect a payoff.

The payoff increases linearly and perpetually with the time between visits. This is only true of datacore farming and no other mechanism in the game.

The initial setup work - the training and grind - those are common to everything you do in Eve. But a mission runner doesn't get a monthly stipend after doing his standings grind - he has to keep running missions if he wants to keep earning.

With R&D agents, once you've put in the initial work, the RP pile up without any intervention. It's passive. Like the pension I may one day collect.

Maybe where the perspective differs is when you are a genuine industrialist who uses datacores, and therefore needs to pick them up regularly, compared to someone who's just in the business for some extra pocket money. But even for the datacore consumer, you could manage your research by buying the datacores you need from a convenient market whenever you need them, and then once in a long while doing your datacore courier run to make back the money you spent.

So there's never any urgency to do anything. To me, that's pretty passive.