EVE General Discussion

Even worthless SOV (Catch anyone) SOMEONE will come through and run you out eventually.

You can just roll in with a two gun salute and expect the locals to go for it. But numbers are numbers, so you make nice with the neighbors if you can't eradicate them, or you get rocked.

Just like low.

If you want to take on the galaxy one system at a time....well best hang in hi and hope no one war-decs you.

When my alt was in starting NPC corp I chatted with ppl on corp chat. If somebody asked "what next/more/different i can do in Eve" I responded with "take a frig and go to lowsec/null for sightseeing". Instantly "vets" asked me if my main is there and accused me of luring newbies into a TARP. Which basically says all about hisec dwellers and their thinking about areas outside of hisec.

Of course if newbie appears in Heild and is sloppy enough with warping around I or my corpies will try to snatch him but same thing will happen to seasoned players also. It's not like we sell tickets for lowsec trips to have somebody to shoot at. But obviously that's how lowsec/nullsec ppl are thinking about ppl outside of "safe" systems.

During my first days in EVE (Beta) I was recruited by the best corp I've had the joy of playing with. I was immediately asked to fly out to the depths of Fountain and was forewarned of many NPC pirates at gates. Bare in mind that these were the days of mining for your ships, no warp to zero and little known of the game mechanics. We'd soon created a set of bookmarks to insta jump... Good old days.

This was the most fun I've ever had in EVE. I was immediately mining precious resources in my imicus with tech 1 mining lasers. Since then I've come and gone from the game but never again found nullsec as inviting. Back then we had the occasional m0o or other pirate camping outside our station, but it was fun. We talked to each other and killed each other if someone slipped up.

I've recently come back to EVE and find myself to be one of those "stuck" in high-sec for whatever irrational reasons. Sure, I can and do nip out across 0.0, buy and sell, often in a pod for convinience. It's not difficult. I'd love to be living there as I did 9 years ago but the problem is, as a number of people have pointed out, it's not "inviting." More importantly, the people there aren't inviting - literally. If I, with xSP, resources and game know-how cannot quickly find a corp to join them in 0.0, I can't imagine how much of a barrier there is for all the new and high-sec established people to even fathom moving there.

To me, ultimately, EVE is overpopulated. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see 100x more players. Rather, it's overpopulated for the game mechanics and distances within the game. When it took a long time to get out deep into 0.0, and it was an epic journey to get back, it was amazing, and a rush to encounter "enemies." But I guess that's somewhat beside the point. I feel that in many ways many of the additions to the game over the years have taken much out of the fun factor and appeal of null-sec. Everything is instantly gratified now, it's too easy. I can sit in empire all day doing level 4 missions easily solo or with help if there are corp'ies about. I can mine, melt loot and sell or, or build ships with it. If I'm really feeling lazy and really want "that" new ship or item I can just buy PLEX or ETC and get it. If I'm an alliance in 0.0 I could make 15,000 ships and gank people for a laugh in a relatively short time and relative ease.

Anyway, this thread is one of the most, if not the most interesting ones I've read in a while. It highlights many issues I've felt in recent times but haven't given enough thought to. To get people into 0.0 two things need to happen. First, CCP needs to make EVE feel big and hard again. EVE used to be hard. Space used to be big. I shouldn't be able to grief some players in one corner of EVE and then in another corner an hour later. That's ridiculous and too easy. I could do suicide runs all day grieving people and refuelling in Jita with the aid of PLEX if need be. Second, all those null-sec players complaining about people in high-sec need to encourage the players out. Scamming them and ganking them most certainly doesn't work. There needs to be both a better mechanism for this and a greater effort from the established community to recruit people on a more personal level. Encourage them to mine and do PVE in null-sec. PVP later, as people are more confident and have gotten to know the people they're flying with.

Most of your post is ridiculous exaggeration captured by this. However, you raise a couple of good points worth discussing.

First, low-level nullsec industry is ****. You are absolutely correct. It needs to be fixed

Second, the ridiculous exaggeration about "having to wake up at 5am to shoot pos" aside, there are playstyle limits to nullsec, like there are to any sec area. If you can only play sporadically for 30 minute periods, then nullsec is not for you, neither are whs and even lowsec might be a stretch. However, as repeated multiple times throughout this thread, that's fine, nobody gives a **** about you. People who don't have the time for anything but the hypercasual hisec option will always have that option. CCP has never hinted at anything to the contrary, nor do 99% of the participants in these discussions. If you are a committed hisec player who only has the time to tool around with a bit of industry or run a mission or two once or twice a week, then good for you, nobody gives a **** about you and you are absolutely irrelevant to the issue of the new player experience and the transition through playstyles.

Completely true as long as you can stand being somebody else's pawn. I spent time in an "industrial arm" of a 0.0 alliance. As such we were completely unappreciated, unprotected, and I never saw a single ISK from the official industry work I did there. Spent more time waiting for fleets to form for mandatory ops than I spent mining.

Maybe things have changed in the last couple years...but that's how it was at the time for "carebaears in nullsec".

Heh, try having a poll and see how many terrible 0.0 corps are out there compared to the good ones.
Chance to roll dice and end in a good one are not too many, and every try you have to ferry your stuff all over dozen of 0.0 jumps just to discover how they play.




This is the NORM not the exception.





Too bad the playerbase has changed over the years and now those with little time for pixels are a vast majority. The game has to deal with it or...


... or it stays like now.


In the mean time I have meaningful and fun PvP time in other PvP games where I don't have to be in a golden cage just to savor the leetness of being in a PvP area.

1. Move the ISK out of high sec in to null sec. There is no way anyone should be able to earn more or even equivalent isk from pve activities in high sec than null. CCP currently has this completely wrong with incursions and missions.

Fix the 'pve' fit nonsense too.

2. No. High sec is an important part of the new player experience. What it should not represent however is a parallel cluster where people congregate indefinitely and are given no incentive to ever leave except curiosity. I was in a fleet fight last night where guys in rifters were fully engaged and completely useful. There's no excuse for anyone to dwell in high sec forever. There should certainly be NO economic incentive to do so.

3. High sec should be the galactic core; home of trade, industry and chilled low profit low risk pve. Low sec should be dynamic based on player activity; ideally faction war and should contain incursions and OTHER group pve activities which are done with pvp style fits and encourage migration and residence. Null sec should lose its exclusivity and sov should be re-thought to be inclusive and trade/economics based. Everyone should be able to dock at every outpost (excepting war targets etc) and there should be many more ways for players to take up 'residence' in null sec beyond POS use. The #1 bar on people living in null sec space is the lack of facilities accessible to them and the inhability to refit their ships etc.

Most of all I would like to see the end of tech and a new style of null sov based on inclusivity and enticing players to use your services, mfg your ships and equipment, seed your markets etc. Null should be the wild west, but it should not be a closed shop. Figuring out how to do this, and if it is even possible within the current business model of 50 accounts each remains to be seen. I know ccp wants to create more 'homestead' options in nullsec, but unless the presense of 30, 000 pubbies in your sov space is of benefit to you, I fail to see how that will work out .. alas ..

As a carebear, I have an idea: Leave us the **** alone :'). We like it here in highsec, it's how we like to play the game, and I seriously don't care if you think it should be played ANY other way, mm'kay? ^^ <3 - If CCP nerfed everything and made eve unplayable for the casual carebear it wouldn't make me go down the pipe to 0.0, i'd just quit with a big nice middle finger raised to all those 0.0 crybabies that want me to play "their way".

I tried 0.0, I tried lowsec, and I like it MOAR in Highsec, just accept the fact that not everyone likes it down in 0.0 ^^.

Long live carebears =), now quit whining and get cooking, it's almost dinner time =D

Good, bad, these are relative terms. The important bit is to have fun. Isn't that why we're here? Some people take this GAME far too seriously.

And again, for the tenth time, nobody gives a **** about you, and nobody is going to force you into null or out of the game.