EVE General Discussion

Still trying to wrap my head around the terms "AFK" and "camping" being used together in the same sentence. In a wormhole, I tried AFK camping the wh with my hauler once...didn't work as well as I tended (of course, I only thought I hit the cloak button.)

The OP sounds like a nullbear snowflake but I can understand the issue of AFK cloaking in the system for hours and hours if not days on end. If local was removed, then there would be no mining, no plexing, no PvE content in null because it would be too easy to hot drop on a someone's ratting drake. PL will hotdrop a hurricane if their scouts find nothing else within range. The cyno advantage in null makes the argument that WH's don't have local irrelevant.

Oh wait, your alliance in null still has the ability to establish cyno jammers in a system right? If you have those then you can't be killed by a cloaked scout...well, you can...being a terrible nullbear and all.

I can definitely see where your concern comes from - but on the other hand, honestly, I think that if you make nullsec more dangerous, people are still going to come out to play in it. There'd probably be a temporary drop; but in the end, people are going to go where the money is - the more dangerous it is, the more money you're going to be able to make bringing back spoils from it, so as the risk increases, so does the reward for those still willing to venture in.

Of course, that means costs for EVERYTHING based on the spoils of nullsec go up, and I admit i don't know the economy well enough to say how far any specific change will tip the economic penalties for staying in high-sec away from "fair" and towards "crippling." And, of course, I get that not everyone is as enamoured with realism as I am - I accept that I will swallow a lot more than most people in the name of realism, even when it's making my own game a lot harder.

Cyno jammers are not a tool to be spammed on every system. It not only prohibits the unfriendly cyno, it prohibits the friendly one too.

Also I think that a covert cyno generator can be used for bridging within a cyno jammed system. Most probably I am wrong, cause although I do remember that this was a feature discussed when this module was being drawn on paper, I can't remember (or find evidence) for the life of me if it was implemented after all.

If there are hostile fleets flying around, this is risk.

The point is, these players are cloaked. You can do nothing or you cannot do anything to find him. It is just like a tumor in your head, but your doctor told you that it is cloaked so he cannot find it.

I rarely do CA or mining, but it is quite hard to answer to new corp members what they can do else if those cloaked campers present. I really want to invite some more people who newly joine the game to enter null sec, but it is just too difficult.

That is actually good idea. CCP THAT IS good idea. This way ppl dont afk in cloak 24/7 and that way other have better change to probe and kill this cloakkers. They can hide but they cant hide forewer.

But... why? Why should everyone else's engines magically be able to run his/her ship around non-stop 24/7, but stealth ships have to gas up just because some people don't like where they choose to idle? Heck, realistically speaking, if you're completely idle, cloaking could involve nothing more than turning OFF the engines. Space is big, after all.

Stealth ships have a specific role. Please, for the love of all that is holy, don't let the usual MMO-slide towards sameness infect Eve. You want a solution to AFK cloaked ships, fine - but make it believable, not some deus-ex hack. Maybe put in some specialized "sub-hunter" stuff. Give players a way to uncloak a cloaked enemy - but make it take a good long time. Make it warn the stealth ships that it's starting to happen - active players can bug out, AFKers can get blasted out of the sky, everyone can win. I'm sure there are tons of other solutions that fix the problem AND feel like part of the game world, rather than some quick bandaid.


This is the OPs claim, not mine - but if the guy is not AFK, then the entire topic is moot. MootER. You shouldn't punish the owner of a stealth ship for cloaking.

And frankly - you can take AFK out of my statement about them being afraid of one guy, and it still holds true. Nullsec = danger. This is the intention of it.

Sitting there in your captains quarters, spinning your ship............have a look out the window.

Look very closely.

See that odd there-but-not-really-there shimmer against the stars?

He's looking right at you through your window.

Watching your every move.

Plotting, planning and scheming his way to your destruction.

Every fitting change, He sees it.

Every ammo load, he notices for the counter.

You are doomed.

Accept it.

WoW disconnects you from the server, if you are AFK for "too long time". But this ist not WoW.

THIS - IS - SPAR.... erm ... EVE !

If someone sits outside in an Vessel, cloacked, then he is either actively scaring you to hell, waiting for you to undock, and a potential thread to you (and btw: he's investing his time into scaring you).
Or he's really AFK, and then no thread to you. The risk lies in your decision, which of both might be true.
EVE is about to ponder risk versus possible profit.

Maybe look from the other side: How long are you waiting at the station? How likely is it, that your enemy is intense starring at the overwiew - fully concentrated - and waiting for you undocking? Pick a very fast vessel and hope for a moment of distraction of your enemy.

What about just switching to another charakter and do some other stuff? Let him wait until he rots.

Maybe you want to do some walking in station, visit a nice bar, have a look at the strippers, do some gambling. Just go out of the door in your captains quarter and .... oh ... wait .................

... .... ah, now i know, why some people don't want Station walking to be implemented

He's annoyed with himself.

With all the useless War Decs in High Sec where the Dec-ers do not even undock for a month.................

Sounds like the same thing to me.

Deal with it.