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CCP - no really...when is mining going to be a good profession again?

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#201 - 2012-05-10 08:00:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Asuka Solo wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Seriously CCP, when are you going to do something new with mining and make it a respectable profession again? Right now it seems mining is the joke of EVE and the most hated profession in the game. It is good that you stopped the drone poo express, however, that doesn't address the need of the players that are miners. It has been over 6 years since mining has seen any kind of progress or updates - when is the mining profession going to get some serious love from the devlopers?

Come on CCP - miners need loving, too.

It is threads like this which make miners the joke of Eve. But you knew that already, because I told you so in your whiny thread yesterday, too. CCP just literally buffed the **** out of mining.

HTFU much?


Removing the drone poo adds zero content for miners - it just effects their bottom line. When is mining going to see new ships and new mechanics to make mining as interesting as other professions?


You seriously didn't know that a few years ago CCP added a bunch of mining missions?

It hasn't been 6 years. You're so full of hyperbole there's hyperbole in your hyperbole.

And you're way too obsessed with mining for your own good, based on the number of rant threads per day you start.

Just a friendly piece of advice: Try to focus on something other than mining for a day.


I lolled.

You seriously didn't just say that....

Updated the mining profession by adding mining missions....

Your rebuttals are so stupid that there's stupid in your stupid.

Posting to confirm that there are other examples. The Orca is also newer than six years. So are grav signatures. So is the new drone regions nerf, which was a boost to mining. So yeah, you got some stupid in your hyperbole.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#202 - 2012-05-10 13:28:37 UTC
Sure lets make more mining missions from agents that sit in station and give mission after mission and maybe get some repeats. That is boring as ****

Make player mining contracts - Makes industry corporatons achieve something by mining for other corporations needs of suppy of ore or ice.

Hell if i got a contract for some corporation needing 40mil in tritanium hell my corp would be on Veld/ Scordite like kids at the candy store so if trit is 6.00 now x 40mil =240mil in corporation pockets maybe even more for the work like 300mil contract. This way Industry corporations have to compete to be the best in completing contracts and even being recommended for completing contracts

Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#203 - 2012-05-10 13:34:29 UTC
CPT JHawk007 wrote:
Sure lets make more mining missions from agents that sit in station and give mission after mission and maybe get some repeats. That is boring as ****

Make player mining contracts - Makes industry corporatons achieve something by mining for other corporations needs of suppy of ore or ice.

Hell if i got a contract for some corporation needing 40mil in tritanium hell my corp would be on Veld/ Scordite like kids at the candy store so if trit is 6.00 now x 40mil =240mil in corporation pockets maybe even more for the work like 300mil contract. This way Industry corporations have to compete to be the best in completing contracts and even being recommended for completing contracts



Ore/Mineral buy orders work wonders for that. Granted...not all miners notice them.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#204 - 2012-05-10 13:50:56 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
CPT JHawk007 wrote:
Sure lets make more mining missions from agents that sit in station and give mission after mission and maybe get some repeats. That is boring as ****

Make player mining contracts - Makes industry corporatons achieve something by mining for other corporations needs of suppy of ore or ice.

Hell if i got a contract for some corporation needing 40mil in tritanium hell my corp would be on Veld/ Scordite like kids at the candy store so if trit is 6.00 now x 40mil =240mil in corporation pockets maybe even more for the work like 300mil contract. This way Industry corporations have to compete to be the best in completing contracts and even being recommended for completing contracts



Ore/Mineral buy orders work wonders for that. Granted...not all miners notice them.


I agree but looking at the buy orders is like an after effect when the processors are calculating the total earnings that they may get after doing a mining op for corp or help pay players
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#205 - 2012-05-10 14:49:43 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Actually, most people don't think the game revolves around them,

WHAT?

I was sure it did... now I don't know what to think...
CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#206 - 2012-05-10 15:28:13 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Actually, most people don't think the game revolves around them,

WHAT?

I was sure it did... now I don't know what to think...


It does, if it didnt then we wouldnt have the butterfly effect >.>
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#207 - 2012-05-10 18:11:18 UTC
Thanks to everyone that participated in this thread so far. It is very much appreciated. Big smile
Derek Wiildstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#208 - 2012-05-10 19:09:19 UTC
Nothing's wrong with mining that a price bump to low sec and null sec ore prices wouldn't fix. I spent 6 hours mining a low sec system with friends and had a great time. We dodged pirates, fought a few, chatted with the locals while trying to hunt them down for kicks. Unfortunately all the work it takes to get mining barges to a non pirate infested section of low sec and the amount of hauling it took to get the ore back out wasn't worth our while. We could have made more money mining in high sec or running missions.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#209 - 2012-05-10 19:29:48 UTC
CPT JHawk007 wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Actually, most people don't think the game revolves around them,

WHAT?

I was sure it did... now I don't know what to think...


It does, if it didnt then we wouldnt have the butterfly effect >.>


It does revolve around me. If I right click and move my mouse the whole universe revolves around me. I am stationary, the universe moves, it is all relative.

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Adria Origin
Yar Har Fiddle Di Dee
#210 - 2012-05-10 21:29:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Adria Origin
Issler Dainze wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Adria Origin wrote:
I've already stated I do mine, I have a Hulk and Exhumers V. I fly a perfect Orca and Rorqual. This is not omg mining must die. I mined in highsec for nearly 6 months before moving to null. I like mining when it happens in a way that like... stuff happens. As it stands now it's lasers hitting rocks and ... that's it ... joy.

Issler's way or the highway.

Idea rejected.


That's right because I've always said everyone has to play Eve my way.....oh, wait.... I say exactly the opposite every time!

Where do you come up with this stuff??

If you believe that, please hit the highway Fera, and biomass yourself on the way out!

Issler

You do realize the exact purpose of my idea is to make mining profitable in low and null. You said you would love it if it was like that again, this is the only way it will happen, to give people no choice but to mine there. Trit is important, Veld is important. It will always sell. It stays in high sec. People that really want to just be solo can mine away at it. Everyone else can go to low or null and have some fun.

The only way mining in low or null will ever be profitable again is if it is no longer as profitable to mine in high sec. That can only happen with the removal of all ore, except Veld, from high sec. Period.

This sums it up nicely:


Derek Wiildstar wrote:
Nothing's wrong with mining that a price bump to low sec and null sec ore prices wouldn't fix. I spent 6 hours mining a low sec system with friends and had a great time. We dodged pirates, fought a few, chatted with the locals while trying to hunt them down for kicks. Unfortunately all the work it takes to get mining barges to a non pirate infested section of low sec and the amount of hauling it took to get the ore back out wasn't worth our while. We could have made more money mining in high sec or running missions.


The only way ore will be worth more there is if you can't get it anywhere else.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#211 - 2012-05-10 21:52:47 UTC
Adria Origin wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Adria Origin wrote:
I've already stated I do mine, I have a Hulk and Exhumers V. I fly a perfect Orca and Rorqual. This is not omg mining must die. I mined in highsec for nearly 6 months before moving to null. I like mining when it happens in a way that like... stuff happens. As it stands now it's lasers hitting rocks and ... that's it ... joy.

Issler's way or the highway.

Idea rejected.


That's right because I've always said everyone has to play Eve my way.....oh, wait.... I say exactly the opposite every time!

Where do you come up with this stuff??

If you believe that, please hit the highway Fera, and biomass yourself on the way out!

Issler

You do realize the exact purpose of my idea is to make mining profitable in low and null. You said you would love it if it was like that again, this is the only way it will happen, to give people no choice but to mine there. Trit is important, Veld is important. It will always sell. It stays in high sec. People that really want to just be solo can mine away at it. Everyone else can go to low or null and have some fun.

No, clearly it's because Issler knows all about mining and we don't as we're not the ~true miner class~.

That's why you'll never make a good suggestion and only people like that can.

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Adria Origin
Yar Har Fiddle Di Dee
#212 - 2012-05-10 23:28:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Adria Origin wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Adria Origin wrote:
I've already stated I do mine, I have a Hulk and Exhumers V. I fly a perfect Orca and Rorqual. This is not omg mining must die. I mined in highsec for nearly 6 months before moving to null. I like mining when it happens in a way that like... stuff happens. As it stands now it's lasers hitting rocks and ... that's it ... joy.

Issler's way or the highway.

Idea rejected.


That's right because I've always said everyone has to play Eve my way.....oh, wait.... I say exactly the opposite every time!

Where do you come up with this stuff??

If you believe that, please hit the highway Fera, and biomass yourself on the way out!

Issler

You do realize the exact purpose of my idea is to make mining profitable in low and null. You said you would love it if it was like that again, this is the only way it will happen, to give people no choice but to mine there. Trit is important, Veld is important. It will always sell. It stays in high sec. People that really want to just be solo can mine away at it. Everyone else can go to low or null and have some fun.

No, clearly it's because Issler knows all about mining and we don't as we're not the ~true miner class~.

That's why you'll never make a good suggestion and only people like that can.

Now I'm gonna say something. I'm being sarcastic, but I bet someone will agree, they might not post, but it's sad that someone will agree...

Lets just put all types of ore in high sec. Then no one ever has to leave. Ever. Moon goo too while we are at it.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#213 - 2012-05-11 00:12:47 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Adria Origin wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Adria Origin wrote:
I've already stated I do mine, I have a Hulk and Exhumers V. I fly a perfect Orca and Rorqual. This is not omg mining must die. I mined in highsec for nearly 6 months before moving to null. I like mining when it happens in a way that like... stuff happens. As it stands now it's lasers hitting rocks and ... that's it ... joy.

Issler's way or the highway.

Idea rejected.


That's right because I've always said everyone has to play Eve my way.....oh, wait.... I say exactly the opposite every time!

Where do you come up with this stuff??

If you believe that, please hit the highway Fera, and biomass yourself on the way out!

Issler

You do realize the exact purpose of my idea is to make mining profitable in low and null. You said you would love it if it was like that again, this is the only way it will happen, to give people no choice but to mine there. Trit is important, Veld is important. It will always sell. It stays in high sec. People that really want to just be solo can mine away at it. Everyone else can go to low or null and have some fun.

No, clearly it's because Issler knows all about mining and we don't as we're not the ~true miner class~.

That's why you'll never make a good suggestion and only people like that can.


I see, so because I point out there folks in Eve that will never go to low sec, WHs or null, its not "their" way, its my way...

Your head must be a very confused place to live. My point is that some folks here are trying to dictate playing styles that THEY think are the only correct ones.

I love ideas that make mining in low sec more attractive, but the person that suggested their initial idea of forcing folks to low sec because forcing them is the only way they will go made my point for me. To do that is to impose someone else's idea of how Eve has to play on folks that don't agree.

So sure, my way or the highway and my way is which ever way each player decides they want to enjoy Eve! Makes me a pretty bad dictator.

Oh, and as to why I might know something about what miners like in Eve, maybe its because I've running a mining corp that has lived null,. WHs, low sec and high sec for eight years. I must have some of it right.

Issler
My way, or the Highway! Or your way... if you'd prefer!
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2012-05-11 00:20:37 UTC
i dunno why this thread has 10+ pages. Anyone who trys to argue that mining doesn't need fixed is trolling. Should have died after the first page with people just saying "yep, ccp hates miners. nothing we can do."

I have more space likes than you. 
CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#215 - 2012-05-11 00:36:45 UTC
Dbars Grinding wrote:
i dunno why this thread has 10+ pages. Anyone who trys to argue that mining doesn't need fixed is trolling. Should have died after the first page with people just saying "yep, ccp hates miners. nothing we can do."


LOL i agree but some have proven to give some ideas that may help improve mining though i suggested that there should be Player Mining Contracts so industry corporations have a purpose to mining ore or ice
Shade Severii
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#216 - 2012-05-11 00:40:46 UTC
make mining more like gambling and problem solved.
Adria Origin
Yar Har Fiddle Di Dee
#217 - 2012-05-11 01:37:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Adria Origin
Issler Dainze wrote:
I see, so because I point out there folks in Eve that will never go to low sec, WHs or null, its not "their" way, its my way...

Your head must be a very confused place to live. My point is that some folks here are trying to dictate playing styles that THEY think are the only correct ones.

I love ideas that make mining in low sec more attractive, but the person that suggested their initial idea of forcing folks to low sec because forcing them is the only way they will go made my point for me. To do that is to impose someone else's idea of how Eve has to play on folks that don't agree.

So sure, my way or the highway and my way is which ever way each player decides they want to enjoy Eve! Makes me a pretty bad dictator.

Oh, and as to why I might know something about what miners like in Eve, maybe its because I've running a mining corp that has lived null,. WHs, low sec and high sec for eight years. I must have some of it right.

Issler
My way, or the Highway! Or your way... if you'd prefer!

I live in null sec and I don't really ever mine in null sec. Why? It's not profitable. Why isn't it profitable? Because mining in high sec is "safe" and still makes a decent amount of ISK. So mining in null and taking that risk is not justifiable. My way is really the only way to make it worth the risk to mine in low/null.

You should make more money in low than in high and more in null than in low. EVE is supposed to be about risk vs reward and the current way mining is setup isn't really about that any more. The "high quality" minerals that come from null ore aren't the major part of most ships.

I suppose the alternative is to rebalance BPOs and make them need less high sec minerals and more null minerals, but somehow I see that being more annoying than just taking most ore out of high sec.


CPT JHawk007 wrote:
LOL i agree but some have proven to give some ideas that may help improve mining though i suggested that there should be Player Mining Contracts so industry corporations have a purpose to mining ore or ice

I can't tell if you are trolling or just an idiot, pretty sure it's the latter. The goal of mining is to take minerals and build things or sell for ISK. Mining contracts would just be mining for minerals to sell. What?

This already exists, it's called a "want to buy" contract.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#218 - 2012-05-11 01:39:28 UTC
Mining Missions.
Oh wait...
Adria Origin
Yar Har Fiddle Di Dee
#219 - 2012-05-11 01:42:50 UTC
Actually another idea to fix null/low mining is to make a new line of ships that mines more than exhumers but cannot enter high sec.

Did I really just suggest a capital mining ship??? afk suicide
CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#220 - 2012-05-11 02:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: CPT JHawk007
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Adria Origin wrote:
I can't tell if you are trolling or just an idiot, pretty sure it's the latter. The goal of mining is to take minerals and build things or sell for ISK. Mining contracts would just be mining for minerals to sell. What?

This already exists, it's called a "want to buy" contract.



You obviously dont think outside the box ofcourse theres Buy Order everyone knows that. What i was suggesting is that Corporations need ore to construct ships mods ect so they create an Contract saying they need this this and this, then a mining corp says ok this we can do lets do this and complete the contract and get paid.

For example say you wanted 40mil tritanium, 10mil pyrite and 5 mill in Mexilon and you dont have miners to do it so you set up a contract to hire miners to do it for you and you pay them for the ore and now you have the mats you need for construction.

Buy orders are only for miners wanting to sell ore to people for the highest price. This does not help miners with goals other than giving minere isk in their pockets. While Mining contracts are goals for miners to take on contracts to help improve themselves and other corporations and being recommended for more contracts you complete. Also gives competiton to other mining corporations.