Player Features and Ideas Discussion

demigod by being outside the cycle, nothing more.

You do not worsphip angles or lessen deamons do you yet they're demigods, what about the children of gods herculese wasnt exactly worshipped either.

most tribes didnt extent beyont 250 people, which is odd becuase thats how many people you're capable of remembering.

Your gun to a bunch of natives are a bad example in this case.

The non capsuleers do understand why such ships are much more efficent already, they just where the 'lucky' ones to be born with the genetics stable enough for pod technologies. Or other cases is that they didnt like the idea of having to be euthanized to become a pod pilot.

Remember dust marines are very similar to us and they out of all the people in the galaxy hate us the most.

You do realize they do have cannons larger than dreadnaught guns pointed back up at us right?

First off stay on topic.

Its 500 Mordern Nukes, and ICBM is a wrong term as its a methood of delivery not the warhead itself. With 500 of them actually to only sufficently kill everyone on the 1% of earth surface that people live at, to destroy earth to the point its another mars would take ALOT more than we currently have.

Also technological backgrounds in eve do highly suggest that planets have impressive shield systems for some of the highly active stars that are populated. The shells the orbital defense cannons are firing are the size of battelships themselves about accelerating to near light speed.

Also the lore reason why they enforced roll over of new dds where specifically for protection of planets, the beam dissapates too quickly in a shielded gravity field where the old DD just made the entire amotspheres explode. Also bombarding with such weapons on a habital planet in eve is a voilation of the Yulai Convention.

Also who are to say we are gods when you have Jove, Endenlandi and Terras outside our league? Imagine a battleship sized weapon destroying entire capitol fleets that was developed over 10,000 years ago. Can you imagine what sort of technological powers Terrans have now? and to them we would be the alien, the ones to be purged the ones in they way of thier 'birthright' to this galaxy we currently live in. If the eve gate where to ever to open and its because they did it, we are absolutely going to be screwed, pod tech or no, theyll just sink every floating station in new eden to ensure pod pilots will no longer prove a hazard. Wouldnt it just also be just has horrible if they hijack your neural swipe? Force your mind to download into a clone they already posses just for tourture purposes? They get to kill you every day in the most horrible ways possible sometimes twice, and when you beg for death, YOU WILL BE DENIED ITS COMFORT, and then you will regret your immortality.

Not yet we need to further refine the idea before the derailment happened. remember this idea was shot down by ccp before we need to come up with better refirnement before representing it again.

Remember guys... the big reasons why the "crews" idea was shot down before were...

- people were proposing that crews "level up" with experience... which was countered that it encouraged "grinding" and leaves "casual PvPers" in the lurch as they lose their ships on an almost daily basis.
- people proposed that your crews would gain more experience the more you paid/trained them and/or the length of time you had/used them... which was countered that it encouraged people to stockpile ships/crews until they gained every percentage advantage over others who just "threw" their crew into the ship.
- people proposed that it would be an "enhancement" item similar to a rig or a mod... which was countered with the point that it would just add another dimension of balancing that CCP would have to keep an eye on (meanwhile CCP has yet to get a handle on balancing ships and mods we currently have)
- people proposed that it would be an item NEEDED to fly a ship, similar to the way fuel is needed to get around with capital ships... which was again countered by PvPers saying that it would just add more logistical hassle to "casually engaging" in PvP.
- people proposed that it would be a resource gained through Planetary Interaction... which by itself isn't a bad idea, but still doesn't quell the other issues behind implementing crews into the game.

Thank you. They sound familiar.

Please also remember that in order to implement crews it is not only a matter of overcoming the downsides. We need the one convincing reason why crews should be in game. Countering the downsides is not what makes the crew feature attractive, but it will be the positive effects, which will give people the fantasy and the will to iron out the downsides -- or to accept them as necessary side-effect.

The level-up-per-use is probably a concept that is totally against what EVE is built on. So level-by-time would be the preferred concept. But, I concede that level-by-time for crew is just too easy to be exploited : you recruit 100-gazillion crews and flood the market once they are sufficiently high. That is not good. However, if level-by-time was restricted to when a crew is assigned to a ship ( aka "fitted" ). Like that at least you'd need a ship. Adding opportunity cost like crew's pay would off-set the usefulness of crew as a speculatory object. But remember, countering the effect you can never fully; as there is always some guy on the world with more time on his hands than you to spend the time it requires....

The effects on casual PvP are serious. Now, the casual pilot is always on the losing end, since he is lacking the practice. But I concede that the game should not have other factors, which further decrease his chances. That is a good point, actually. Hmmm. I don't know a way out there.


And as I think of FiS game mechanic enhancements : I would rather want to see formation flight and turrets fixed than crews added.

There are alot of ifs and counter ifs but further discussion is warrented and concerns are to be adressed.

Casual PVP is oxymoronus I think at times, typically casual pvper is usually 'vicitm'.

But I have to agree, crew for fluff alone = bad idea, exotic dancers for fluff = good idea.

As for the level up concept we do have it in eve, its called progress.
Now pod pilot progression is slowly being brain fed software, aquiring wealth, and property. Where regular people are concerned cannot do this at all at the same rates. So the crews we are getting are pretrained on the PI interfaces used to make them (ie you build a weapons factory and you can train gunnery crews ect) and they get better at thier jobs the more experinced they become at it. Hence the ship-bonding, a electronic warfare crew assigned to a blackbird wouldn't know how to operate a lachesis electronic warfare systems and takes a hit on thier experince and delevel when they get moved ships. So I wouldnt say its Un-eve, especially the part where if the crew dies they suffer just as much a pod pilot could if each of them only had one life. Crews that survive take massive hits to thier experinces and would have to replenish lost knowledge and develel on a destroyed ship, must like how an unupdated clone for a pod pilot can level any skill they might have.

Now we mentioned it earlier that crew must be aboard ships in order to gain experince, this prevents stockpiling by individuals. The fact they're ship bonded as well also prevents 'stockpiling' by invididuals as well. Now in corporate assest they may require any ratters to train crews up while they go about grinding thier warfunds thus they may go and stockpile crews for rainy days when ship losses are rampant. We somewhat counter the hoarding mindset of these resrouces by making them recoverable. repairable, and thier ship bonding not pernament. We may go a step further and try combine lesser experinced crew to make more expernced crew as a quicker but expensive means of leveling crews. Like a simulator option, throw 2 lvl 4 machriel gunnnery crews in it and the simulator picks the best and brighest of the bunch and net result is 1 lvl 5 machriel gunnery crew. Also to prevent hoarding is to make the level cap low for the crew. IE if we all knew that lvl 5 was the highest for 'tech 1' crew there wouldnt be people stockpiling crew just because they would be able to quickly train and resell to other pilots.

Which brings up the next thing crews would be sellable on regular market. Just stand them down (repackage) and they lose all current efforts twoards thier next level and retain currrent level and become available for sale.

As for balance it will be a touchy subject and more on the plate but it cannot be avoided it will have to be used in order to give crew any legs to stand on, why equip crew if all they do is die? I rather equip something just as expensive that helps me shoot better.

As for requiring crew to be nessecary Ill say one thing, no. We're going on the assumption you have regular crew on the ship already provided during assembly of the ship. These crews we're talking about are specialty trained and will compliment the current contigent. Which is why frigate crews may just be one or two persons (Hit Points), while battleship crews would be a set of 50 (HP) persons.

As for PI usage yes, Im thinking something along the lines of a habitat that has to be feed food and water and you get people out of it. And then you send people to facilities that are fueled by other PI materials and you get trained people. It would keep things simple easy and familiar at least.

You forget star gates, outposts, and orbital facilites that are around POS and POS themselves have people in them already.

Not all races have advanced drone tech, amarrians for example uses alot of slaves as thier crew, and to counter lore reasons why you dont want a pure drone crew, Rogue Drones have a nasty habbit of liberating said drones. why do you think the drone dominix exist (imo they need to make a drone infected version of all ships)