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Goonswarm grip on market

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Chevalleis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-30 18:42:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Chevalleis
I'm not very into alliance politics, so I'm not sure what is going on in the null right now. However I'm interested to know how largely the goons actually influence the market; what items do they control, how strong is its grip on them etc. Guess this thread could serve as an assesment of Goonswarm's market abilities. I want to repeat that I have no clue of their actual power; I know about tech, but other than that I don't know.

E: As an afterthought, what about the other aliances? How do they as entities influence the market?
Dominionix
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-09-30 19:19:35 UTC
Chevalleis wrote:
I'm not very into alliance politics, so I'm not sure what is going on in the null right now. However I'm interested to know how largely the goons actually influence the market; what items do they control, how strong is its grip on them etc. Guess this thread could serve as an assesment of Goonswarm's market abilities. I want to repeat that I have no clue of their actual power; I know about tech, but other than that I don't know.

E: As an afterthought, what about the other aliances? How do they as entities influence the market?


You wanna know what kind of power we hold in the market place, go take a look at the price history of Oxygen Isotopes.
SmashTech
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-09-30 20:11:53 UTC
This is only the beginning.
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#4 - 2011-09-30 22:44:53 UTC
Chevalleis wrote:
I'm not very into alliance politics, so I'm not sure what is going on in the null right now. However I'm interested to know how largely the goons actually influence the market; what items do they control, how strong is its grip on them etc. Guess this thread could serve as an assesment of Goonswarm's market abilities. I want to repeat that I have no clue of their actual power; I know about tech, but other than that I don't know.

E: As an afterthought, what about the other aliances? How do they as entities influence the market?


Minimal influence, no control, no 'grip'. DRF can, over time, set the price for technetium as stockpiles are depleted. Theoretically a coalition of wormhole alliances could some day manipulate T3 prices upward. Something like 85% or more of all players in EVE live in Empire space and do their production and consumption there, nullsec alliances are largely a footnote economically.
Epsilon Artiste
Goonmetrics Inc
#5 - 2011-09-30 23:57:21 UTC
Dynast wrote:
Chevalleis wrote:
I'm not very into alliance politics, so I'm not sure what is going on in the null right now. However I'm interested to know how largely the goons actually influence the market; what items do they control, how strong is its grip on them etc. Guess this thread could serve as an assesment of Goonswarm's market abilities. I want to repeat that I have no clue of their actual power; I know about tech, but other than that I don't know.

E: As an afterthought, what about the other aliances? How do they as entities influence the market?


Minimal influence, no control, no 'grip'. DRF can, over time, set the price for technetium as stockpiles are depleted. Theoretically a coalition of wormhole alliances could some day manipulate T3 prices upward. Something like 85% or more of all players in EVE live in Empire space and do their production and consumption there, nullsec alliances are largely a footnote economically.


Such naievity. When null figures out some new battle strategy (hellcats? alpha?) prices for those ships spike and availability is lowered. When large null alliances start fighting, they start sucking ships and minerals from empire. I don't think you've given this too much thought, theres more to it than the wares in null... they affect hisec in many ways. Do they control hisec? No, but do they impact it? Certainly.

Not to mention if CCP goes through with removing ice from hisec, leaving us hisec ice miners... wanting. That would be... interesting.
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#6 - 2011-10-01 02:50:30 UTC
Epsilon Artiste wrote:


Not to mention if CCP goes through with removing ice from hisec, leaving us hisec ice miners... wanting. That would be... interesting.


Isn't high sec ice already non-replenishing? I gather it's already going, just at a glacially slow rate.
Czeris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-01 04:53:39 UTC
Tasko Pal wrote:
Epsilon Artiste wrote:


Not to mention if CCP goes through with removing ice from hisec, leaving us hisec ice miners... wanting. That would be... interesting.


Isn't high sec ice already non-replenishing? I gather it's already going, just at a glacially slow rate.


No.
boge
Everlasting Vendetta.
#8 - 2011-10-01 05:29:14 UTC
prove to all the non believers
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#9 - 2011-10-01 12:44:09 UTC
Epsilon Artiste wrote:
Such naievity. When null figures out some new battle strategy (hellcats? alpha?) prices for those ships spike and availability is lowered. When large null alliances start fighting, they start sucking ships and minerals from empire. I don't think you've given this too much thought, theres more to it than the wares in null... they affect hisec in many ways. Do they control hisec? No, but do they impact it? Certainly.


Do the math; the ships expended in nullsec fights are a drop in the bucket. There just aren't very many people in nullsec, on top of which a disproportionate number of the characters that are stationed in nullsec are purpose-trained alts with minimal purchasing needs. Every coalition in nullsec could switch from maelstroms and abaddons to megathrons and there would be a few days of erratic pricing, with most of the temporary price changes a result of speculation rather than actual demand. Empire supply grossly outstrips nullsec demand (and Empire demand too). Only in scenarios where some element of supply is bottlenecked in nullsec are nullsec alliances capable of being relevant long-term.
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#10 - 2011-10-01 14:17:09 UTC
Dynast wrote:


Empire supply grossly outstrips nullsec demand (and Empire demand too).


Depends. Empire manufacture is extremely competitive sometimes with negative margins (the sign of oversupply), but low end minerals aren't oversupplied else they wouldn't be trading as high as they currently are. And Goons couldn't cause a two-fold increase overnight in oxygen isotope prices, if that was being "oversupplied".
Netheranthem
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-10-01 15:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Netheranthem
Only thing I could see them having an influence on is Technetium and / or supercaps.
For the rest, they can't do much more than any other trader.

EDIT: Actually I read what's about isotopes.
Just ganks on a sensitive part of the economy, that's it.
Vladimir Helios
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#12 - 2011-10-01 20:50:31 UTC
Goon and TEST would never stoop to this level.

Who do you think we are? Space criminals?!
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-10-01 21:27:39 UTC
Marckov
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-10-01 23:23:07 UTC
Goons have:

Second largest Alliance
Largest Coalition
Leader of the CSM
Developer in charge of Flying in Space (former head of EU Goons)
Developer in charge of security (former Goon CEO)
Coalition-wide coordination and advice on trading

They are implementing a game change (removal of ice from high sec) then profiting from it based on secret information and insider knowledge.

Ever wonder why CSM minutes take 6 months to publish? So people on the Council and the players they tip off can wring more profit out of inside knowledge.
SuperBeastie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-10-01 23:35:25 UTC
Marckov wrote:
Goons have:

Second largest Alliance
Largest Coalition
Leader of the CSM
Developer in charge of Flying in Space (former head of EU Goons)
Developer in charge of security (former Goon CEO)
Coalition-wide coordination and advice on trading

They are implementing a game change (removal of ice from high sec) then profiting from it based on secret information and insider knowledge.

Ever wonder why CSM minutes take 6 months to publish? So people on the Council and the players they tip off can wring more profit out of inside knowledge.


:tinfoilhat:

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Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#16 - 2011-10-02 00:44:39 UTC
SuperBeastie wrote:
Marckov wrote:
Goons have:

Second largest Alliance
Largest Coalition
Leader of the CSM
Developer in charge of Flying in Space (former head of EU Goons)
Developer in charge of security (former Goon CEO)
Coalition-wide coordination and advice on trading

They are implementing a game change (removal of ice from high sec) then profiting from it based on secret information and insider knowledge.

Ever wonder why CSM minutes take 6 months to publish? So people on the Council and the players they tip off can wring more profit out of inside knowledge.


:tinfoilhat:


The CSM who was banned and had to resign from CSM 3 was a plant, whose job was to keep us from suspecting the current CSM of doing the same thing. It was all planned at the bob BBQ.
Anela Cistine
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-10-02 02:41:33 UTC
Our grip is firm and manly, yet sensitive to the market's innermost desires.
Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#18 - 2011-10-02 02:58:44 UTC
I remember when people used to whine and complain that the Northern Coalition controlled the technetium market, now they're whining and complaining about the goons controlling...well...um.

Goons don't control anything, physically. They simply have the ability to influence large groups of people who collectively control market forces. It is the same as the President of the United States telling the world "the stock market is going to crash tomorrow," causing everyone to sell and, sure enough, the market crashing..

The goons don't need to physically do anything. All of Eve believes every word they say for some reason (anyone who knows a thing about goons should realize how ironic this is).

I'm not supporting or condeming them, I just think the whole situation is hilarious.
SuperBeastie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-10-03 09:28:59 UTC
Jiska Ensa wrote:
I remember when people used to whine and complain that the Northern Coalition controlled the technetium market, now they're whining and complaining about the goons controlling...well...um.

Goons don't control anything, physically. They simply have the ability to influence large groups of people who collectively control market forces. It is the same as the President of the United States telling the world "the stock market is going to crash tomorrow," causing everyone to sell and, sure enough, the market crashing..

The goons don't need to physically do anything. All of Eve believes every word they say for some reason (anyone who knows a thing about goons should realize how ironic this is).

I'm not supporting or condeming them, I just think the whole situation is hilarious.



Just wait goons and friend have enough money and willing people to drive the price of oxygen iso so high you wont know what to do!

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Jill Antaris
Jill's Open Incursion Corp
#20 - 2011-10-03 10:25:00 UTC
SuperBeastie wrote:
Just wait goons and friend have enough money and willing people to drive the price of oxygen iso so high you wont know what to do!


People will just switch out some towers and carriers. Nobody cares.

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