EVE General Discussion

As many that play this game know, there is an underlying issue that plagues EVE and that is that null and low sec players wish to have more high sec players join them in those areas of the game. This topic has been discussed in hundreds of threads across a wide spectrum of topics and often ends with neither side conceding ground. So the question is....

1) If you were CCP, how would you get more players involved in 0.0 space and low sec - without compromising or getting rid of high sec completely?

Or...

2) Would you just rather see high sec completely removed? If that is the case, how would you introduce new players into the harsh realities of a game where they can be ganked on sight just for joining the game?

3) If you believe that high sec, low sec and 0.0 can co-exist, what is your solution to bringing balanced game play to 0.0, low and high sec space that is amiable to all concerned?

If you could answer these questions I am sure there are people that would love to hear your answers.

Nerf income streams in the highest of security space, like, into the ground. .5 to .7 space can have maybe up to L2 mission income. L3 and low L4 level income can be in lowsec, while High l4 and L5 level income is in nullsec. Move a fair majority of production into low and null.

Improve the new player experience to include stints in RvB or E-Uni. Maybe a nullsec alliance could open up a training ground for potential newbies as well, and give the new players a choice of where to get their advanced education from.

Good friend, that isn't a question...

I wanted to do this, even call it Newbies in Null. (NiN.) in a true ironic fashion.

But there's no many newbees already in corp ~~~:shobon:

This was because of some month old newbie who flew all the way into VFK, got reported on an intel channel, just to "talk to some goons". Pretty :shobon:

I don't believe your underlying premise that everyone is a "hard-wired" player type from the start.

I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a large number of players from any security type that would want to eliminate the casual option, whether people are using it temporarily or permanently. That said, any player who might have gone on to an enjoyable gaming career in null, lowsec and/or WHs but failed to escape from hisec because of poor transitioning by CCP, poor incentive balancing or being co-opted by common misconceptions and falsehoods is a shame for everyone, and far less likely to be a long time committed customer to CCP.

The mentally-unhinged and deluded hisec forum sockpuppets on GD, like yourself, seem like people that will never under any circumstances leave hisec. Quite frankly, nobody gives a **** about you. What we care about are all those people that could have gone on to create a more dynamic and richer game for everyone, but through bad game design or a failure of the community, or both, fell through the cracks in the game (cracks...more like abysses).

I know many committed hisec casual players that couldn't care less about CCP's attempt to balance incentives and smooth the transition of players out of hisec. These are very bright people that enjoy the mechanics of industry in a game where it actually matters and they are a part of grand things going on somewhere, even if they are only distantly connected to it. If CCP changes something, then they will just readjust their system, they really don't care because it's just a little side hobby they have in their busy lives.

This imaginary "hi versus low" tension is just forum warrior hyperbole meant to obfuscate the real underlying issues involved in the new player experience, and is fundamentally not representative of hisec in general at all.

Im not an o.o player, Im one of those who CCP Soundwave wishes to push by brute force into o.o space. The way to get me to stay in the game and move to o.o space would be to let me respec all the millions and millions of skillpoints I have in science, industry mining barges and exhumers into gunnery and spaceship skills. Otherwise I am nothing but a red plus or asteroid to be farmed or harvested. I do not wish to be farmed because I invested my training time into noncombat skills.

Server-based, NPC-driven, rules-lawyer mechanics do not make for compelling gameplay.

Human beings make for compelling gameplay.

I don't care "what way" you play - mine or any other. Other people are more engaging than, essentially, a pixelated potato being mined by beams.

What about CCP just works to get newbies into 0.0 - everyone who is in high sec now is a lost cause, the attitude is set in place and no game play changes will do anything but convince them that their attitude is right.

Get new players out into 0.0 and get them mining, missioning and doing all the same old stuff BEFORE the attitude can set in and they'll stay out there because once you're used to living in 0.0, empire seems very bland.

Correct.

Maybe CCP could buff up the NPC pirate factions to make them more newbie friendly and offer the alternative of starting there during character generation. If players were given the option of choosing 'starting in high sec' or 'starting running with the pirates', I suspect they'd get quite a few players choosing to start in 0.0.

Ideally this newbie tutorial would also highlight the fact that 0.0 is more risky to be alone, and they should work to get into a player corp as soon as possible.