EVE General Discussion

BPO - Cost is mine, absorbed
run copies - Cost absorbed

Copy requires 2 types of datacore to invent x 2 each
I run 6 Invention jobs at a time. (All skills related to the blueprints are 4 and 5)

Cost of datacores is 200K each average. (If I get those datacores myself, I still count them as cost assuming I had bought them)

24 datacores every time I run inventions. Once a day for me, they take 12.5 hrs and I can't be arsed to log in at 4 in the morning to restart them. 4.8 mill in datacore costs to run. On average I get 2 that come out, 4 will fail. Some times 3, once I even got 4 but the stamp is on 2 of 6 or 33% suckcess. That's 2.4 million ISK per invention in cost, before materials.

You guys can do whatever you want to datacores. That cost is built in to the price of the T2 Items I build. If my margin isn't met, the item will sit in the hangar until I can sell it at a profit and I won't make more above that cost. If that additional cost is doubled, so be it. My price margins are based on market value of the cores. I don't care what I paid for them, that's the only way I can manufacture and sell and not turn the entire market in to a reproc mule.

Keep in mind, every hr of the day people are being a carebear they are not being a PvP l33tboi. While you say you don't like passive income, your actions also say you don't like carebears. So try talking out of one side of your mouth or the other and stop with all the rhetoric. Everything I just showed you is passive income. You think I actually farm my mats? No, I assure you I don't. Its all passive income and it won't change because you guys made datacores active income: ie: more carebearing.

Hope that helps.

So uh, you're saying if you sit on things until they hit your price point, then you're making passive income?

Interesting...

So you're botting? Are you quite sure you want to admit to that as openly as you just did?

After all, how else do you copy those BPOs passively? How else do you invent the copes passively? How else do you move the data cores to where they need to be? How else do you manufacture from the BPCs passively?


No, of the stuff you listed, only the accumulation of RP is passive income.

PI isn't particularly passive, and yes, they're trying to fix moon goo.

That's how buy low, sell high works. Inventory is as passive as it gets. It isn't like I need to fly to Amarr once a week to rotate my assets for a best before date. Keep in mind, Technetium was at 80K less than a year ago. Anything I make that uses it is going to make me money if I bought at 80K. Sure, it meant having Fullerides in an Asset list for 8 months but in 8 months it will be something else.

…but it doesn't happen passively. You still have to spot the price when it qualifies as “low”; you must spot the price when it qualifies as “high”; and then, of course, you must also buy and sell. None of those things are passive.

…and thus you disqualified yourself from being passive. How often do you have to tell your R&D agent to start producing RP?

That's an extreme exaggeration but from the time I click a button to start an invention or a manufacturing job to the time it poops out a whatever it is I was looking for, I don't even need to be logged in let alone in station. I can be running missions, I can be ratting, I can be mining, I can be not even in EVE. Those things are still going to happen.

…and inbetween you pressing F1 and the rat dying, you can adjust your market orders, scam some newbies, have a drone auto-aggress and kill a completely different rat. Not to mention, that you then have to press F1 again (and install new S&I tasks).

The thing is still that you actually need to participate in all those actions, just like you need to take active actions to make all the stuff in invention happen. With datacores, you tell your agent to start accumulating RP and then… nothing. From there on, your input is zero.

They will happen if you keep making them happen, otherwise, they will not. You have to activate them time and time again. You have to participate in the process. This is quite unlike R&D, where you have to do absolutely nothing for the RP pile to keep growing.

Actually, you have to fly to get purchase your datacores from the research agent. If you do as you say and you input is zero after your start accumulating the research point you will never make a dime, since you can not remote purchase datacores.

PI is no different than Research agents.

I am not against them changing how to get datacores. Make me run missions. Have me re-engineer meta 1 items to get them. Just don't put them in FW LP stores.

I always wondered how people got their datacores.

I guess 0rphanage can't be camping those, since the agent could be in many places unlike Jita..

N-no way.

I thought that is what Jita Park was for. Or CAOD?