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Interesting question of sanity
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Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#81 - 2012-05-09 21:46:01 UTC
Andrey Wartooth wrote:

The whole concept of a video game is to allow a person to be something they are not.



Are the friendships you make in game just as fake? If not, then perhaps a bit of a persons real self is showing through afterall.

Dont make the assumption that everyone who plays a video game is trying to be something they really are not.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Zora'e
#82 - 2012-05-09 22:39:25 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Andrey Wartooth wrote:

The whole concept of a video game is to allow a person to be something they are not.



Are the friendships you make in game just as fake? If not, then perhaps a bit of a persons real self is showing through afterall.

Dont make the assumption that everyone who plays a video game is trying to be something they really are not.


That entirely depends on the purpose of said 'friendship[s]'. I have in the past befriended someone in game for the sole purpose of setting them up for an assets gank. Some people play EVE for a variety of reasons. One of the things I like so much about EVE is the meta game aspect of it. It is neither unknown of nor unheard of for someone to befriend and then join a corp, pretending to be helpful and friendly etc, for the sole purpose of either infiltrating their alliance command structure, or just to destroy them from within.

There is nothing psychopathic about that in the least. THEY are doing what they need to do to accomplish their goals in a game.

That is my view anyway.

I won't say you are stupid, but you're not exactly on the Zombie menu either.
Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#83 - 2012-05-09 22:51:57 UTC
Zora'e wrote:
[quote=Olleybear]
There is nothing psychopathic about that in the least. THEY are doing what they need to do to accomplish their goals in a game.



"Someone else is going to do it so I may as well do it first." or "They would do it to me so I may as well do it to them."

Big smile

Funny how many times I have heard that exact same reasoning in real life to justify why a person does something bad to someone else. People can find any number of logical reasons to justify hurting others. Its even funnier when its done to them and they get angry over it.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#84 - 2012-05-09 22:56:07 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Zora'e wrote:
[quote=Olleybear]
There is nothing psychopathic about that in the least. THEY are doing what they need to do to accomplish their goals in a game.



"Someone else is going to do it so I may as well do it first." or "They would do it to me so I may as well do it to them."

Big smile

Funny how many times I have heard that exact same reasoning in real life to justify why a person does something bad to someone else. People can find any number of logical reasons to justify hurting others. Its even funnier when its done to them and they get angry over it.

Ah you mean preemptive war, first strike doctrines, weapons of mass destruction and so on?

Man, those AoE doomsdays ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#85 - 2012-05-09 23:00:20 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:


Man, those AoE doomsdays ...



I usually eat 1 or 2 cans of baked beans to prime my AoE doomsday....

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#86 - 2012-05-09 23:04:28 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Man, those AoE doomsdays ...

I usually eat 1 or 2 cans of baked beans to prime my AoE doomsday....

Ahaha, at least someone has a sense of humor here.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#87 - 2012-05-09 23:13:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Olleybear wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
However. Issler, stil pretty crazy lol

(had to keep it a bit on topic so they didnt lock it lol)


This thread started with nothing more than character assassination of Issler.


Yeah totally... cause she didnt say that ...oh wait... did

Olleybear wrote:
Claiming anything else is irrational


Im glad you agree with me.

Olleybear wrote:
Andrey Wartooth wrote:

Nobody is saying that sociopaths don't play eve, but there are quote a few people insinuating exactly what you say here, that everyone who shoots another player is a sociopath.



Thats good we can agree on this. Now just one little step further.



Wait a Goon agrees that anyone that shoots anyone is a sociopath?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Shian Yang
#88 - 2012-05-09 23:17:31 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Funny how many times I have heard that exact same reasoning in real life to justify why a person does something bad to someone else. People can find any number of logical reasons to justify hurting others. Its even funnier when its done to them and they get angry over it.


Greetings capsuleer,

Why draw the line at other capsuleers? If you shoot at an Ammarian cruiser piloted by a non capsuleer (Or one under Ammarr control) and kill potentially thousands of crew; are you not doing the fundamental, same thing?

This is why I find this reasoning so spurious. Shoot a capsuleer and you are a sociopath. Destroy a cruiser filled with thousands of people and you're a well adjusted, normal carebear.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#89 - 2012-05-09 23:19:42 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
Funny how many times I have heard that exact same reasoning in real life to justify why a person does something bad to someone else. People can find any number of logical reasons to justify hurting others. Its even funnier when its done to them and they get angry over it.


Greetings capsuleer,

Why draw the line at other capsuleers? If you shoot at an Ammarian cruiser piloted by a non capsuleer (Or one under Ammarr control) and kill potentially thousands of crew; are you not doing the fundamental, same thing?

This is why I find this reasoning so spurious. Shoot a capsuleer and you are a sociopath. Destroy a cruiser filled with thousands of people and you're a well adjusted, normal carebear.

Regards,

Shian Yang


Precisely why I had an objection to Issler's raving about in game = IRL. Its crap

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Freggan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-05-09 23:47:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Freggan
Olleybear wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
We just put a person that believes the stuff you do in game reflects who you are in real life (IE One of those "EVE is full of sociopaths" ppl) and put them at the same table as CCP.


Something for you to ponder.

Give someone power and/or money and they will become who they really are.

More to the point. Take away consequences for a persons actions and they will become who they really are.

I have seen enough in game, on internet forums, and in real life to know just how true the above things are. Does this mean that everyone who pirates in game waits at the exit of a grocery store to beat up old ladies and take their groceries? Of course not. Yet you can watch news anywhere in the world and see all of the nasty stuff people do to one another daily and how sociopathic behavior is the norm in real life.

Is it really a stretch to think more than a few sociopaths in real life play Eve? No, and to deny this is to deny logic, common sense, and what is happening in real life daily.

People are nasty creatures.


Very easily understood and that means more people who play eve will get it P
Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#91 - 2012-05-10 00:12:15 UTC
Freggan wrote:


Very easily understood and that means more people who play eve will get it P



Thanks for pointing that out.


Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

Precisely why I had an objection to Issler's raving about in game = IRL. Its crap


Issler is pointing out specifically what happened out of game. Now, if both what happens in game and out of game appear to be the same, it looks like solid proof of what Issler is claiming to me. Looks cut and dry to me.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Shian Yang
#92 - 2012-05-10 00:15:48 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Precisely why I had an objection to Issler's raving about in game = IRL. Its crap


Greetings capsuleer,

What happened to the red bars?

Regards,

Shian Yang
Shian Yang
#93 - 2012-05-10 00:18:07 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Looks cut and dry to me.


Greetings capsuleer Olleybear,

It would be reasonably cut and dry to say some capsuleers may be sociopathic and exhibit those tendencies in New Eden. It would be foolish to say a capsuleer acts like a sociopath in New Eden and therefore they are a sociopath outside of it.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#94 - 2012-05-10 00:19:58 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
It would be foolish to say a capsuleer acts like a sociopath in New Eden and therefore they are a sociopath outside of it.



Which is exactly what I said previously. Glad we agree.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Andrey Wartooth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2012-05-10 01:11:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrey Wartooth
Antisocial Malkavian
Olleybear wrote:
Andrey Wartooth wrote:

Nobody is saying that sociopaths don't play eve, but there are quite a few people insinuating exactly what you say here, that everyone who shoots another player is a sociopath.



Thats good [b wrote:
we can agree on this[/b]. Now just one little step further.



Wait a Goon agrees that anyone that shoots anyone is a sociopath?


No, I said that
Quote:
there are quite a few people insinuating exactly what you say here, that everyone who shoots another player is a sociopath.


This part i just quoted is a fact. I'm willing to bet that there are only a handful of people who are RL sociopaths in EVE.

Like was mentioned earlier in the thread, would it be okay to insist that those people who cosplay as Stormtroopers and other Imperial officers are real life fascists?
Andrey Wartooth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2012-05-10 01:12:57 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Shian Yang wrote:
It would be foolish to say a capsuleer acts like a sociopath in New Eden and therefore they are a sociopath outside of it.



Which is exactly what I said previously. Glad we agree.


If this is what you were saying all along, then you might want to take some lessons on how to better get your point across through text.
Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#97 - 2012-05-10 01:24:22 UTC
Andrey Wartooth wrote:

If this is what you were saying all along, then you might want to take some lessons on how to better get your point across through text.



olleybear wrote:
Does this mean that everyone who pirates in game waits at the exit of a grocery store to beat up old ladies and take their groceries? Of course not.


That is from my very first post in this thread which was even copied by another pilot and reposted again in its entirety. Perhaps its not the text I am typing but your reading comprehension.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Andrey Wartooth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-05-10 01:32:11 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Andrey Wartooth wrote:

If this is what you were saying all along, then you might want to take some lessons on how to better get your point across through text.



olleybear wrote:
Does this mean that everyone who pirates in game waits at the exit of a grocery store to beat up old ladies and take their groceries? Of course not.


That is from my very first post in this thread which was even copied by another pilot and reposted again in its entirety. Perhaps its not the text I am typing but your reading comprehension.



Quote:
Take away consequences for a persons actions and they will become who they really are.


You also said this though, which to me at least, means that while a person may not actually kill people in real life, if they do it in game, they must at least *want* to do it IRL.
Olleybear
A Blessed Bean
The Initiative.
#99 - 2012-05-10 01:36:18 UTC
Andrey Wartooth wrote:

You also said this though, which to me at least, means that while a person may not actually kill people in real life, if they do it in game, they must at least *want* to do it IRL.



And if you want to single out individual sentences and not read the entire post, you can make it look like a person is saying the exact opposite of what they mean. The real life media does it to people all the time too.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#100 - 2012-05-10 07:16:10 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Malkavians are my second favourite race... I agree they are pretty awesome... But sometime I feel like ripping stuff to shreds and I love Gangrels for it.


Ill go for a Caitiff :) I played one who had Vicissutide, Potence, Celerity I think she was. I just remember the first one. I had FUN with that.



Assamite all the way for me Big smile

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