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Running missions with friends.

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Arthash 1339
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-05-08 11:16:54 UTC
Hey,

Me and my 2 brothers recently started playing Eve, all 3 of us have just completed our initial 5 agents missions. We now wanted to start running missions together. As in all contact the same agent, start the same mission and run it together. Much like questing in WoW as a group if you are familiar with that. Reading up on it now, I have seen that because we are different races we may have some issues because of our faction standings.

We have one of each, Amarr (Going for Laser ships?), Gallente (Wants a drone ship) and Caldari (Wants to provide long range damage with missiles).

It seems more beneficial for my brother whom is currently Gallente to come to Amarr or Caldari missions as theyre faction standings appear to compliment each other. However, this will damage his own gallente standings, will this negatively impact his ability to get drone ships later in the game?

Are we able to effectively mission together as asked above? Is there any point, or should missions always be run separately and then only PVP together?

Are there any other implications of abandoning ones own faction to mission run with friends?

Thanks for your help, sorry for making such a long winded post.
Staxed
Femboi Fan Club
#2 - 2012-05-08 11:40:12 UTC
Your standings have nothing to do with what ships you can fly, so him coming to work with you guys won't affect that. Once standings are low enough with Gallente, you will no longer be able to get missions from them, or enter their space (if it's REALLY low). There are a few guides around about standings, it'd be better off if you searched for one rather than me explaining it all truthfully.

As for the missions, it's a bit different in EVE than it was in WoW. You guys can fleet up and do missions together, but you won't be guaranteed to get the same mission. Each of you can get a mission from the same agent, and then work together to finish all three of them.

You will get the bounties, and share the rewards, etc...but you won't have the same mission for all 3 of you (unless you just get really, really lucky).

If you don't want bad effects due to low standings, the best thing to do is mission for each of the factions every now and then to help repair standings losses. It takes a bit longer to get really high standings with a specific faction this way, but it also prevents you from being locked out of one races space.

Also, train the social skills...they help A LOT with faction gains and preventing too much loss.
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-08 13:48:53 UTC
Train these: Social V, Connections V, Security Connections IV, Negotiations V

If one of your brothers selects a mission you can all fleet up and run his mission with him, however the actual mission rewards will be split depending on weather or not he checks that dialogue box when the mission is run and handed in. If you all visit the same agent they will not give you the same missions.

Usually with wow you move UP quests, in other words you run all the quest from a npc untill you have run his story line and he directs you to some one else then you do the same thing with that npc.

In eve mission agents are a source of income, not an advance on the greater plot. There are story line agents, Like Agent Alitura in Arnon for the blood stained stars epic arc, which you can all run. But you must each start the story line your selves and run each mission. You will not be able to accept missions as a 'party.'

Yet another radical difference between WOW and EVE. It takes some getting used too.
If one of your brothers gets a mission that has them fighting an actual empire navy. Make sure which ever brother whose from that faction sits that mission out, or simply just skip those missions as it will damage standing. If its a pirate faction run these till your hearts content.

Missions sadly pay out best when you know how to solo them rapidly which isn't hard with this little guide right here:
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports
LVL 1, LVL 2,s are meant to be run rapidly and chained to increase your standings with a faction so that you can run lvl 3's 4's where you can make decent money. Check the guide and see what the absolute minimum requirements it takes to "blitz" a mission and on lvl 1's and lvl 2's do this.

Group pve content what you guys are looking for are Incursions mainly, which you will do with a fleet of around ten or more. However you will need good to perfect core skills in dps and tanking and you will need to fly a battleship. These have group rewards for isk and concord LP pay out which can allow you to purchase meta 2 capital mods which are pretty valuable right now.

Other group pve in content is DED complexes which must be scanned down with scan probes, and lvl 5 missions. Unfortunately all lvl 5's are currently in low sec, and all the DED complexes of value are in low sec and null sec.

Other group PVE content can be found in Worm Wholes which also need to be scanned down with probes, once in the WH you can use the on board scanner to locate sleeper sites which you can run loot and salvage components that are essential too tech III subsystem and ship production. That stuff is also pretty valuable, but depending on the WH and its difficult C1 - C6 you will need at least a Battlecruiser and potentially logistics of some sort. Also you can get traped in WH with out probes and there is no local and its 0.0 security so people can ambush you if you dont keep checking directional scan.

Absolutely you and your brothers should pvp as a group. Make some isk and get a stack of frigates. You fly a punisher, your gallente brother should fly a blaster fit incursus and your other brother should fly a merlin. Check Battle clinnic for fits. Set your search parameters to all time and sort by highest rating. Only read there stats do not read comments.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/browse_loadouts.php

As you plan on PVP'ing and running missions together, your training needs to focus on your tanking and DPS skills

Gunnery, and where ever your races ships main tanking is found. Gallente, Amar = Armor, Caldari shield. But after you have got your core tanking skills to V start training into armor or shield perspectively as this just makes your ship tougher and tougher.

Now...Get to training!

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-05-08 13:53:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Good information above (though I think training all social skills to V is overkill). Incursions are likely above you guys right now (They do kind of demand some rather high-end ships and good skills, as well as a larger group) ,but low-end wormholes likely are not. In fact, a small gaggle of t1 cruisers should be able to run the class 1 wormhole sites rather well - One person would likely need to be a dedicated prober/looter/salvager, though, and before trying to do this you should try to read up on wormholes so you don't get surprised.

Running missions solo -is- the most efficient way to run them, but that's boring (part of the reason that I think missions are an incredibly awfully-designed game mechanic). I'd heavily encourage you to throw efficiency to the wind in the name of fun. However, as has been mentioned, there are plenty of fun PVE options which actually do benefit from groups. EVE is a very diverse game and missions are far from the only thing you can do.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-08 13:58:51 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Arthash 1339 wrote:
Hey,

Me and my 2 brothers recently started playing Eve, all 3 of us have just completed our initial 5 agents missions. We now wanted to start running missions together. As in all contact the same agent, start the same mission and run it together. Much like questing in WoW as a group if you are familiar with that. Reading up on it now, I have seen that because we are different races we may have some issues because of our faction standings.

We have one of each, Amarr (Going for Laser ships?), Gallente (Wants a drone ship) and Caldari (Wants to provide long range damage with missiles).

It seems more beneficial for my brother whom is currently Gallente to come to Amarr or Caldari missions as theyre faction standings appear to compliment each other. However, this will damage his own gallente standings, will this negatively impact his ability to get drone ships later in the game?

Are we able to effectively mission together as asked above? Is there any point, or should missions always be run separately and then only PVP together?

Are there any other implications of abandoning ones own faction to mission run with friends?

Thanks for your help, sorry for making such a long winded post.



First. NEVER refer to WoW or play EVE like it's WoW in space.

There are 2 similarities between WoW and EVE:
1.) They are both games
2.) They both are played online.

That's where all similarities stop. EVE is nothing like WoW and with that should now be played like you do in WoW. Usually thinking you can play EVE like you can play WoW will end in tears.

WoW is a theme park ride where you always protected against bad things.
EVE is a sandbox, where you play in a sandbox which also have loads of bullies in it that just want to smash your sandcastles and throw sand in your face.

As for your question.

Race doens't matter, most of the EVE corps are mixed racial characters.

Also you don't need to run missions with all 3 guys. If all of you are in the same fleet, then if 1 of you accepts a mission you can run that mission together.

You will share bounties and the mission rewards. What you can do is all use the same agent, all 3 accept 1 mission and run all 3 in a row. Then go back and all of you complete their own mission and share the rewards.

You can also run missions without ruining faction standings. You loose faction standings if you do one of the following missions:

1.) Missions that involve shooting other faction ships
2.) Storyline missions.

Missions that make you shoot pirate factions (Not Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr or Gallente) will never hurt your standings with one of the main factions, nor do they get a hit when shooting mercs / drones.

And PvE is also a group effort, yet low level missions (Level 1, 2 and 3) can easily be done solo. Level 4 and 5 can be done solo but are also nice to run as a small group.

Incursions are a PvE mechanics purely based on fleet PvE.

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#6 - 2012-05-08 18:04:11 UTC
Rather than giving you another wall of text, here's the short version of the answer to what seems to be your actual question:

All of you pick one faction and commit to that one, at least initially. There is no real reason for you to go for a different set of standings than the people you play the game with.

The choice is basically cosmetic and only alters where you are and the general theme of the writing:

Amarr: Kill 'em all. This is a crusade for souls, not for bodies.
Gallente: Deliver a nonbinding resolution to your enemies in the form of consensus-driven official sanctions (made of high-velocity antimatter)
Caldari: Disregard females, acquire currency
Minmatar: FREEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

All the practical aspects sort of average out, since you're going to need to learn to fit tank against all four damage types and so on regardless.
Arthash 1339
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-05-09 22:44:47 UTC
Thank you very much for the responses everyone! The information and lengths this community is willing to help is beyond anything I personally have experienced online before!

There is an awful lot of information so I will be slowly digesting a lot of it over time. Though from what we have read here, my party and I are now able to head out there equipped with the correct knowledge to make progress in the correct direction!

Again, thank you all very much!

J'Poll wrote:
Arthash 1339 wrote:
All contact the same agent, start the same mission and run it together. Much like questing in WoW as a group if you are familiar with that.


First. NEVER refer to WoW or play EVE like it's WoW in space.

There are 2 similarities between WoW and EVE:
1.) They are both games
2.) They both are played online.

That's where all similarities stop. EVE is nothing like WoW and with that should now be played like you do in WoW. Usually thinking you can play EVE like you can play WoW will end in tears.

WoW is a theme park ride where you always protected against bad things.
EVE is a sandbox, where you play in a sandbox which also have loads of bullies in it that just want to smash your sandcastles and throw sand in your face.


I understand this, hence me joining EVE! I was merely using it as an example to portray my question as I could not think of a better way. =) Thank you also for summarising answers to my original question so well!
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-05-09 22:50:09 UTC
Arthash 1339 wrote:
Thank you very much for the responses everyone! The information and lengths this community is willing to help is beyond anything I personally have experienced online before!

There is an awful lot of information so I will be slowly digesting a lot of it over time. Though from what we have read here, my party and I are now able to head out there equipped with the correct knowledge to make progress in the correct direction!

Again, thank you all very much!

J'Poll wrote:
My post here.


I understand this, hence me joining EVE! I was merely using it as an example to portray my question as I could not think of a better way. =) Thank you also for summarising answers to my original question so well!


Hey, I didn't train WoW-ranting to level 5 for nothing. If I see some reference to any other theme park MMO, specially WoW I have to rant on it for a bit.

Doesn't mean the entire post should be a rant. Ranting is fun, till a certain degree. Then you have to stop and help the new players out. Helping new players means they are likely to stick around in EVE. More players that play EVE means more people to interact with (good or bad interaction, that is something only time will tell). In the end we all benefit from it, you as your questions have been answered and you might stick with EVE for a long time, me as I now have more people to interact with.

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