Ships & Modules

Norlana (dude in draketrain who's been playing for awhile) made a pretty good point that one of the many reasons people have, in his opinion, become a lot more risk-averse over the years is the proliferation of killboards and killboard stats. I don't think cost is a huge problem for anyone who plays the game frequently, judging by the huge quantity of idiots I see flying expensive ships in PVP almost daily, but even people who claim not to care about their ~efficiency~ usually care somewhat if they have frequent or embarrassing losses, and pretty much everyone gets satisfaction from killmails, regardless of how much (or little) risk was taken generating them.

Personally I can't get in the heads of people that sit on gates with RSB'd vigilants or falcon-alted sabres or a legion and an orca to scoop it. One of the few things that's fun about EVE PVP is risking your ship, removing the risk removes the tension and consequently the fun. Unless your idea of fun if padding your kb stats, in which case... more power to you, but I think you're insane.

Anyway, ECM drones are total bullshit. I don't see how a flight of cheap drones with no skills having a 25-30% chance to jam a battlecruiser weighed against a flight of T2 drones that do all of ~75 dps with near-perfect skills is at all balanced.

ECM and all diceroll mechanics are stupid and I think the game would be vastly improved if ECM were completely reworked, but I don't see how anyone could argue that ECM drones in particular are not overpowered. Someone at CCP must really love them to have avoided the nerfbat this long.

If that was the case, people would be just as risk-averse on Sisi as they are on TQ.

Anyway, I don't know many people who actually give a **** about killboard stats at all, especially with so many character sellers/buyers around.

Tell that to Nulli Secunda whom we just harassed again this evening. Or Red Alliance in Gehi being pushed out of their Sov space trying to regroup and being picked at. Or perhaps to the occasional helpless Goon that buzz's our way or to Vera Cruz offering to let us be one with the "blob."

No Solo/Gang pvp is NOT dead although it is becoming far more rare than I originally thought. However there is a slight addiction to it that personally for me makes Eve enjoyable. Bringing a handful of 8-10 people in a system and watching local swell to 90 as they desperately attempt to tackle us and dictate range is rush inducing.

Getting out with a giant grin on your face as you see the collective mentality of all those pilots equal that of a peanut is also rewarding. The key is KNOWING your enemy. Finding weaknesses and being able to exploit confusion in larger gangs while maintaining pressure to keep the field in your favor.

Look I've played since 04. I took several years off and have seen a lot come and go some for the better and some for worse. Yes all you see is recruitment threads for 0.0 nowadays. And yes all you see is the blobs getting bigger. yet for some of us, the close knit going to hell together guns blazing attitude for us is more rewarding than anything.

You want small gang/solo pvp? Make it yourself. Find it. Harass someone. Poke Goons little hive and watch them buzz around. This pathetic excuse of "nerfs" and "they bring more" just shows incompetence and excuses more than anything.

Seriously THAT was the biggest excuse I heard when I tried 0.0 for awhile and it pissed me off to no end.

A perfect example of such hilarity is a fight we had yesterday actually. We were chasing around this other smaller gang and went round the back way and cut them off. What do they do? Light a cyno and drop in a Thanatos.

Again dictating the field is crucial including knowing when to gtfo which as a pirate you get pretty good at doing. They attempt to jeer at us for warping off saying we had "sand in our Vagina's" and other various local taunts.

we then proceeded to coerce them out and show their hand to us. I just smiled as we light a cyno right under their ass and popped a Moros on top while we proceeded to mop up every last one of them as they tried to defend their poor carrier.

Here's the results : http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16363209

And here is the nice little mail sent to said Carrier pilot:

In Regards To Your Loss
From: Tara Read
Sent: 2012.05.08 03:52
To: arioch1,

To whom it may concern,

In accordance with standard piracy etiqutte it is been charged upon myself to ask information regarding your recent loss of said Thanatos at the hands of our most professional of Privateers.

Here is a list of said ships involved including loss of said modules from your fleet.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16363209

Total ammount of cargo in our possesion by your particular loss in isk: 258,560,138.00

Let it also be noted that said member of your fleet attempted to belittle our neutral and most understanding pilots in which then our hand was forced in said incident.

Please inform Thadeous Dalitri that any and all dealings from henceforth and with your alliance will be handled with amusement and jeers to be had by all.

Forever yours in Crime and Devilry - Tara Read


Low sec aint dead boys. And neither is Piracy or small gang pvp. Man up and strap in or shut the F^%@ up.

Telling me I'm part of the "blob" problem. That's rich man. You wanna nab that pilot? by all means! Just give me half the loot if you please. You know finders fee.

Look here's the deal. People *****. People Moan. People gripe about changes and every now and then one of these sad threads pop up about boo hoo low sec is dead etc etc.

I'm not propping anyone up seeing as personally Killboards just kinda cheapen things. And let it be noted we engaged them not once, but twice before and gave chase both times before they dropped said Thanatos. You sit here and tell me you wouldn't take advantage of said stupidity.

I've seen many a group light a Cyno in an attempt to scare off enemies. I however never thought they'd be stupid enough to do something like this. But hey they did.

We actually were just plain lucky they dropped that Carrier in our backyard.

I can see where you joined the two pieces of "small gang" and "lighting a cyno". Hopefully this response clarified that little hiccup and yes I'm part of the problem. I am after all a dirty thieving Pirate.

Oh and that little Goon fiasco has nothing to do with low sec or small gang warfare/pvp. That's just high sec griefing which has always been around. Goons just did it on a grander scale. If you have anyone to complain to I'd forward a letter to Hellicity about his little Hulk bombing event too ; D

Solo = Gallente rox, you have gallente in your OV and you stay around you're either flying Minmatar and you are experienced/know what you're doing or the chances you have a noob face to you are big, either way you can fly whatever you can kill it.

Small gang, eve is about numbers, not about skill despite many trying to hold their uberness to that but it's a fake status. You can be as skilled as you want, put as many aurum or real money buying whatever toon you want, you pick your ubber battleship vs "something" in numbers, unless it's a noob you'll loose. This is a fact you have to admit in eve, no number =probability of loss is extremely high.
This is why people tend to ascape or hide/log off rather than fight, witch is the proof of actual/previous direction regarding skills/numbers and effectiveness or ability to succeed are badly designed.

Eve is the single game where training harder, put all you efforts (isk wise) mean nothing§. Actually if you're smart you train all BC's maxx skills and it's all you need to have fun and succeed in.

Two things are Titan bridges and falcon alts. ECM is a poor game mechanic that scales very poorly with opposing gang size. On the other hand it's ridiculous how many small groups have Titan bridge capability nowadays.

Er, no. Sisi kills do not contribute to killboard stats; most killboards API verify posted mails.




Noir. requires a 4/1 KDR before they'll even consider letting you join. While posting on the forums I regularly (including in this very thread) have people perusing my public killboard stats to use as an argument against me.

Just because the people you hang around with ingame are sensible does not mean everyone is.

Probably True. Implying bad as in behavior perhaps? I personally wish more people would take risks instead of worrying about padding their killboard stats. There was a time when actual piracy was common. I"m still one of the few that actually honor ransoms even if they are becoming fewer and farther between.

If i may add something on the subject from my personal standpoint the avoidance of losses and a high K/D ratio kind of go hand in hand depending upon what fleet composition and tactics in use. Take for example my own personal stats since joining Fusion.

103 Kills 2 losses. http://fusion.massiveweb.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=785

Now this is just an example. You take risks in Eve yes. But taking unnecessary risks is avoidable. Like having a scout at ALL times through low sec even when just coming back from a gate camp. Or having multiple safes made in case a blob comes through looking or another gang drops probes.

Also knowing and memorizing proper routes through the space you travel often is key as well as noting what tactics and routes your enemies use as well including potential cyno points.

Actually this all winds up being BS since Holy is willing to risk us all in a ball of fire for his own personal glory but that's okay. I already performed some sick twisted ritual in dedication of our supreme leader lol.

The point I'm trying to make is don't be worried about KIllboard stats. Be more aware of your surroundings every time you fly. Be overly cautious every jump, every camp, every roam. Get sharper. Take note on mistakes made. A loss of a ship with a lesson learned is worth more than any isk compared to a loss of a ship with nothing changed.

And be prepared to lose lots of ships if you take to the low sec venture. It's just how it is.

Who are these people? Why don't more people make fun of them for having "high" standards and yet still being pretty bad?

edit: just looked up who they were, lol wtf?