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I keep looking over the change. It gets better every time I read it. As a pirate, you get a free-for-all on WTs in lowsec so the gate gun problem is solved, you can still ransom and dishonor ransoms to mission runners (of which there will probably be a lot more), plus you get bumper ISK and LP on your kills! How awesome is that? Why wouldn't every pirate want to join FW now, is my question? Inferno gets better with every dev blog. I just wonder if my standing with the gallente is too low to join now. Maybe it won't matter depending on how the tags for sec thing works. Looking forward to it. Didn't anticipate wanting to join FW at all until today!

Thanks for finally working on faction war. Allot of these things have been needed for a long time. And allot of the work -including the faction war info page - is top quality.

In the end I think

1)the long time it takes to flip systems combined with

2)the no docking rule and

3)increased pve opportunities for the winning side

Will make faction war in general and the combat in particular much more similar to sov null sec.

I predict (yeah I might be wrong) the combat will be much more dependant on organizing large numbers of people together to grind through systems. We can see lots of eve players are quite happy about this and it's no surprise, as that is how many aspects of eve are "won". If they didn't like then many wouldn't be playing eve.


But I sort of liked the more casual nature of faction war and the frequent quality pvp in it. The pvp did not require large fleets and you could get lots of good fights from plexes in the shortest possible time short of arranged fights in hubs and rvb. I am glad you will consider eliminating the station lock outs. That would be a big step toward keeping faction war an option for me.


If you end up keeping faction war as this more sov null sec type game then I would ask that you consider something like Jack Dent's proposal for low sec in general:


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42987&find=unread


It's not not good as what faction war currently offers but it would offer casual players like myself who were in faction for the frequent small scale pvp something. There are a few of us who love eve and love small scale pvp but are not interested in this serious business of organizing sheep to blob and then gloat over all the isk we can now carbear.

I highly doubt the station lock out idea will be compatible with my style of play. With faction off the table I feel like my options are getting even more limitted after this expansion. Jack Dent's proposal would at least make low sec more promising for casual low sec pvpers and lessen the blow.

Mechanical Engineering Datacore, the most important datacore (and used in inventing all four racial varieties of ships) is exclusive to the faction with the easiest PvE (something you didn't address and going by your track record, never will. :soon: is pretty much CCP talk for never going to happen).

Words can't express how fvcking stupid you all must be.

I'm not saying you're wrong.

As I was implying before, I'm hoping that CCP didn't do something dumb and exploitable. They are opening up a very nasty can of worms by basing anything on actual market values, and I think there's something terribly wrong with the "ladder" system and the enhanced killmails, as well.

In other words, they best know what they're doing, or this is going to explode in their faces.

Wonderful list of changes, I will join in as soon as it is released!

Good changes, but Mech Eng cores really should be available from all factions.

OK I've had an idea for FW that was pretty similar to this for like 2 years but I'll explain the main differences

1. LP decrease was partially tied to individual systems. Idea is less mob mentality (keep killing amarr and eventually something good will happen) and rather I want to take system x so I can buy a bunch of cheap frigs and sell them in Jita. Also provide some more tactical environments to FW similar to moons do to 0.0

Lets use buying faction frigs as an example
- each system decreases LP cost a small amount (1%)
- Specific systems specialize in certain areas decrease it by a large amount (frig production system = 25%)
- Many systems have effect multiple items (speed based system = 5%)
- Possibly constellation bonuses added to it.

System examples
frig central (25% reduction to frigs, 5% reduction to small weapons, 1% reduction to all)

speed system(25% reduction to mwd/ab, 5% reduction to frigs, 1% reduction to all)

You'd want a few other systems/constellations to get the max reduction on a single item. You'd also need to take the enemies systems which have a similar (same?) bonus.


2. The more systems you control the less LP you get for all activities.

Currently the reverse of what is planned, this is to give the war a bit of an eb and flow rather than a steamroll. When one side is winning the other side offers better rewards in LP (though you won't want to cash in straight away).

As for story behind this. When a massive empire has to support a war in 5 systems as apposed to 50 they can give more rewards per system. FW space only makes up a fraction of the empires total space so we shouldn't see their complete collapse when those systems are taken.

while you are looking at lp related stuff. Please can we have an option to purchase multiple lp items at the same time?
Say i want 20 of an item at the moment we have to press accept 20 times which makes converting lp a chore.

I like these changes. I will keep an open mind.

I would prefer that neither offensive or defensive plexing gave LP until a a system is contested, because offensive plexing can be afk speed tanked by an unskilled alt too. I think it's equally subject to abuse.

I also don't like that neutrals won't be effected by the docking ban, because it just encourages the use of alts.

And please give us cyno jammers.

Regardless, you guys have obviously put a lot of work into this and seem committed to follow up. That, I like.

Petrus, you forgot to take the dropped items into account.

By destroying a ship with 100m on cargohold you get 10k LP plus about 50m in loot. Turning these 10k LP into more than 50m may be hard right now, but after the changes are implemented it isn't clear to me that this is not possible.

That's why I mentioned that you should be payed only for what you really destroy.