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Market PVP: Rens vs Dodixie
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#21 - 2012-05-03 02:17:56 UTC
Andy DelGardo wrote:
Zet Morg wrote:

What do u think, as a starter, is it bad to try to go for another tradehub?


I'm not really a trader, i'm mainly "forced" into this stupid 0.01isk game as a producer/seller. I really think they should review real world market trading, compared to this stupid 0.01isk grind "minigame".

For me the most important part is to actually have a good cash/material/product flow. This means i can't "yet" afford to have billions of products sitting on the market for days, while i waste my time with 0.01isking babysitting my orders. So i normally "need" to ship all finished products to Jita/Amaar or use the bulk order mailing list.

I would assume the same is true for station traders, so u need "stuff" u can resell fast. Why don't u check Amarr, i noticed nice price differences for many products compared to jita, which also seem to fluctuate and have huge volumes. Thats why i now double check each item at least for jita/amaar prices and 30% of my stock always goes to amaar.

I mainly noticed opportunities for materials/components, since rens/hek/dodixie simply has not all needed production materials or in low volume only. So i still need to buy stuff in amarr/jita and ship it to rens, while i actually would pay more if i could skip this part and directly buy there. So maybe there is a opportunity?

bye Andy


If you plan it JUST right, you can just plop a huge sell order at a great price and get on with life.
first few days people will be angry, then they calm down and then about 1 month later your goods will start selling.

Thats basically all you can do to avoid the penny war, just takes 1-2 months of patience and eventually either a manipulator comes by or the locals get tired of the stingy profit margins for the item.

From a traders point of view, If I see something selling a bit to cheep, thats exactly how I go about it, works perfectly fine if you give it some good thought so you minimize the chances for blunders.
enterprisePSI
#22 - 2012-05-03 09:49:14 UTC
yeah i left dodixie months ago and now i'm making billions. dodi sucks.

The tears of the many, outweigh the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi©
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#23 - 2012-05-03 10:35:52 UTC
Dod can be fairly busy, depending on what you are trading.

The 0.01 doesnt matter too much if you dont want it to. I usually just stick a ton of stuff up and let it fill over a few days. Most prices tend to stay around a certain value, give or take a few %

Dod varies between frantic trading for some items, and others taking ages to move 1. These days I cba updating 273 orders, so I just let them sit until they fill. If you pick your items right, there is little competion.

I have not been trading in Rens, so cannot say about the volumes moved through there, but my general experience of minmatar markets is that they service different clients to the Gallente ones (Not just in the types of ships ^^), each hub behaves differently, and requires a different strategy, but they are all profitable.

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Johnny Frecko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-05-03 11:03:29 UTC
what is it with you people and 0.01 games anger?

0.01 is how the REAL market works, it just has such insane volume that it looks like the prices are constantly shifting.
You don't actually "update" your order for 0.01 because of both fees and movement speed.

Things just don't move fast enough in eve, so people are forced to play the 0.01 game.

That being said, This is not the stock market, and maybe a heavier update fee is in order to make sure prices are somewhat rigid.

back on topic - Dodi is somewhat dead, and it's sad :(
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#25 - 2012-05-03 11:21:23 UTC
I agree about the 0.01 speed thing.

I have been trading some items, and when it has gone flashy for sell, between it flashing, and me clicking "view details", 2 others have gone on top of my order....HOWEVER.....when you are on top for that short spot of time, your orders clear very fast.

The price itself rarely changes much, and if we all undercut by large amounts, then by the time my 5 mins were up for remodify, the price would be down below buy orders ^^

I undercut deeply usually when I have bought insanely cheaply. If say, I am buying 5x lower than i am selling, of course I am going to undercut deeply if you annoy me with 0.01ing, but, I am also tight :p and do not like going under 20% ^^

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Debiru
Universal Fleet Operations
#26 - 2012-05-03 17:22:19 UTC
Andy DelGardo wrote:
Zet Morg wrote:

What do u think, as a starter, is it bad to try to go for another tradehub?


I'm not really a trader, i'm mainly "forced" into this stupid 0.01isk game as a producer/seller. I really think they should review real world market trading, compared to this stupid 0.01isk grind "minigame".

For me the most important part is to actually have a good cash/material/product flow. This means i can't "yet" afford to have billions of products sitting on the market for days, while i waste my time with 0.01isking babysitting my orders. So i normally "need" to ship all finished products to Jita/Amaar or use the bulk order mailing list.

I would assume the same is true for station traders, so u need "stuff" u can resell fast. Why don't u check Amarr, i noticed nice price differences for many products compared to jita, which also seem to fluctuate and have huge volumes. Thats why i now double check each item at least for jita/amaar prices and 30% of my stock always goes to amaar.

I mainly noticed opportunities for materials/components, since rens/hek/dodixie simply has not all needed production materials or in low volume only. So i still need to buy stuff in amarr/jita and ship it to rens, while i actually would pay more if i could skip this part and directly buy there. So maybe there is a opportunity?

bye Andy

You could find an active trader and simply sell your goods to him directly under market price. This saves you on transaction taxes and gets him items he can turn around quickly. He will want it under market price, but the loss in pure profit is made up for by the quickness of the sale. With industry, sale speed is as important as profits, especially when you're dealing with limited ISK, you need to be able to reinvest that money as quickly as possible to keep up cash flow. From what you said before, cash flow is your biggest problem, so this would be the best approach. Bulk Trade list also works, though a large percentage of its users are Jita-based, and not in the other hubs quite so much.

Also, I'd advise against always going to Jita to sell. It goes faster, but the time spent shipping will cancel that out, as will the reduced profits. Selling in Dod/Rens and sometimes Amarr can yield much better profits per unit.
Nostradamouse Riraille
S.M.U.G.G.L.E.
#27 - 2012-05-03 18:05:45 UTC
You know what is fun about Dodixie, you can pretty much buy minerals anywhere on the starmap and then go sell them there for a profit.

It's seriously a raw material seller's market
Debiru
Universal Fleet Operations
#28 - 2012-05-03 19:11:47 UTC
Nostradamouse Riraille wrote:
You know what is fun about Dodixie, you can pretty much buy minerals anywhere on the starmap and then go sell them there for a profit.

It's seriously a raw material seller's market

I'd disagree with you there. I've run into the situation several times of Dodixie having lower mineral prices than Jita. While Jita is, of course, lower -most- of the time, it isn't always. Dodixie also gets a fair amount of rare minerals dropped in it at decently low prices, and is sometimes more resistant, and always slower to follow, price spikes occurring in Jita. You can, however, almost always find cheaper minerals for sale in the surrounding Gallente regions and resell in Dodixie, but going between empires to sell in Dodixie doesn't always work.
Zet Morg
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-05-03 22:06:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Zet Morg
Btw, its been 5 days when im trading and i really wanna share ut with u, hear your opinion.

so i traded modules and a couple of ships. mostly modules.

my starting capital was.274mil.
from 04-28 to 05-03 00:00 Eve time, i earned from 274 to 715mil.

soin 5 days i earned aprox.441mil . thats 88mil/day on average. (Just today i mane 86mil while.trading,so i quess average sum is quite.accurate)
What do you think? Is that a moderate sum for a station trader? (i got the capital, but still am afraid kinda to trade stuff that has few hundred isk profit, but is sold +bought like 300k per day... so i stick to modules mainly).

maybe u got any advice how to make more? i still use only. 33 orders..
Zet Morg
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-05-03 22:13:31 UTC
oh and i forgot to tell that ive besn working in rens/dodixie.
both hubs seem kinda same to me.
Damien Sahl
Arkhon Enterprises
#31 - 2012-05-04 00:15:48 UTC
Zet Morg wrote:
Pinstar Colton wrote:
I made my first billion out of Rens before moving up to Amarr. It is a very good market for young traders who might not have the raw ISK to move a lot of volume or the character skills to tolerate razor thin margins, but who do have the time to sniff out profits from the surrounding area and don't mind doing a little hauling and research.


i must agree. Even thou i had a big capital, about 1,5bil, but i act as a new player so that i wont lose it :D
Thou when trading in Rens, u absolutely MUST buy stuff within atleast 1 jump, cuz a lot of stuff is being sold in Farn.


sry was taht 1.5 or 15 billion in capital.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#32 - 2012-05-04 02:04:53 UTC
Lyrka Bloodberry wrote:
Go to Amarr. Rens and Dodixie are both not worth it.


Amarr / Rens / Dodixie are all about equal in sell order total ISK value. Nobody has published daily ISK transferred numbers, although I've been asking various market price sites to calculate it.

Amarr is a lot quieter then it was last year. Much of the Amarr trade has moved to Jita because it's not that far away.

Rens/Dodixie haven't changed much over the past year.
Zet Morg
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-05-06 16:59:10 UTC
Capital change

This is how im doin in Dodixie. What do u think ?


Debiru
Universal Fleet Operations
#34 - 2012-05-08 07:42:59 UTC
That should be an exponential line, not a linear one. Linear makes Deb a sad marketeer.
Zet Morg
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-05-09 07:24:56 UTC
Debiru wrote:
That should be an exponential line, not a linear one. Linear makes Deb a sad marketeer.


well, i cant get an exponential linear. Just cant. Dont know why. i have 45 orders, trading modules and ships and linear line it is...
Andy DelGardo
#36 - 2012-05-09 11:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy DelGardo
Debiru wrote:

You could find an active trader and simply sell your goods to him directly under market price. This saves you on transaction taxes and gets him items he can turn around quickly. He will want it under market price, but the loss in pure profit is made up for by the quickness of the sale. With industry, sale speed is as important as profits, especially when you're dealing with limited ISK, you need to be able to reinvest that money as quickly as possible to keep up cash flow. From what you said before, cash flow is your biggest problem, so this would be the best approach. Bulk Trade list also works, though a large percentage of its users are Jita-based, and not in the other hubs quite so much.

Also, I'd advise against always going to Jita to sell. It goes faster, but the time spent shipping will cancel that out, as will the reduced profits. Selling in Dod/Rens and sometimes Amarr can yield much better profits per unit.


Thx for the tips, i could solve my cash-flow problem by simply liquidating any dead assets i could find :) I also ofc ship things from Jita->Amarr, if the price is right. I still wish some materials would be available at more reasonable prices and volumes in dod/rens/hek. I often see low volume materials priced at 500% over jita and my buy orders only work on like 1 out of 10 materials, in those areas. So i'm still dependent on this once a week big shopping trip to jita.

bye Andy
Chris Bashaw
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-05-09 20:27:23 UTC
Dodi has been decent for me so far... started out with 3m capital mwd and drones move well as well as rifters for some reason... I set up a buy order within 5 jumps on all the skill 3 frigates for 250k move them to rens and resell for near 400k.. managed over a few days to get a mammoth, all t2 cargo extenders and a cargo rig for it while still maintaining 1m account balance with 3 mill in buy orders and 3 mill in sell orders... and I have no clue what I am doing lol.

I like it because with my 5 range I am picking up all the merchandise people are too lazy to bring to dodi without the constant .01 isk that I was getting right in the station... I dont have much volume so not like picking the stuff up is detracting from keeping my orders current.

I might go to rens or amarr but right now dodi works... eventually i will figure out what I am doing.
Debiru
Universal Fleet Operations
#38 - 2012-05-09 20:29:15 UTC
Chris Bashaw wrote:
Dodi has been decent for me so far... started out with 3m capital mwd and drones move well as well as rifters for some reason... I set up a buy order within 5 jumps on all the skill 3 frigates for 250k move them to rens and resell for near 400k.. managed over a few days to get a mammoth, all t2 cargo extenders and a cargo rig for it while still maintaining 1m account balance with 3 mill in buy orders and 3 mill in sell orders... and I have no clue what I am doing lol.

I like it because with my 5 range I am picking up all the merchandise people are too lazy to bring to dodi without the constant .01 isk that I was getting right in the station... I dont have much volume so not like picking the stuff up is detracting from keeping my orders current.

I might go to rens or amarr but right now dodi works... eventually i will figure out what I am doing.

You've got a Mammoth and do a bunch of shipping, I might have work for you. How much are you making each day, approximately?
Chris Bashaw
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-05-09 20:37:56 UTC
not a whole lot... been working 3 days in dodi and made I would guess 12 to 15m total...like I said never done economy before... brand new char, new account... just trying to become "ftp" by earning enough to buy plex... plus its been fun so far.... right now I can carry 20km3 until I get 2 more cargo rigs... i guess send me a mail
Chris Bashaw
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-05-10 01:35:14 UTC
good day again... about out of stock again though so had to post lots of buy orders tonight so wallet balance after work tonight 1mill, buy orders 12.5 mill, current inventory 1.9mill making the foray into T2 drones tonight again with a 5 jump range about 100k under dodixie prices sold 10 rifts today, 5 tristans and a lot of mwds about 200k profit per frigate and about 200% profit on the mwd.

I just cant wait to get more capital to go bigger see what I can expand too... might set up an alt in jita see if I can start running an import business for more profits.

This char is Minny, rens stuff moves faster but you have a lot more .01 bidding wars whereas dodixie you list something and 3 hours later it might get undercut.
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