EVE General Discussion

As if "CSM Issler Dainze" cares for a suggestion tainted by goon approval. Off to the reeducation camp with you, 5 years hard mining.

I've already stated I do mine, I have a Hulk and Exhumers V. I fly a perfect Orca and Rorqual. This is not omg mining must die. I mined in highsec for nearly 6 months before moving to null. I like mining when it happens in a way that like... stuff happens. As it stands now it's lasers hitting rocks and ... that's it ... joy.

My idea stands because it still allows people that just want to mine to do it. They just need to join up with friends and do it as a group. No one makes them fly PVP ships. There are plenty of null alliances that welcome pure industry people. Where do you think caps and supers come from? This change would only further that.

In addition, there would still be veld in high sec as well as mining missions for the solo miner. Not as rewarding but it's much safer and shouldn't be comparable to the effort it takes to mine in low or null.

Ziranda Hakuli, you do realize they are the ones buying your ships and minerals you are selling in high sec?

It's a never ending cycle. My proposal does make them work for it. It makes everyone work for it.

Right now you do NOT work for what you mine. You semi-afk and watch TV, youtube, or something else. It's zero effort. It's not playing, it's afking. It's the game you "play" while playing other games.

As the person that started this thread, what I would like to see is mining become less tedium and coma inducing endeavor. This has little to do with making more than someone that rats in 0.0 or some guy that goes mining in a wormhole. This is about taking the current mining mechanics and throwing them out the door and starting over.

Make mining a mini-game of sorts that would keep a players attention on the task at hand. Doesn't have to be overly done either where one has to maintain a steady mouse hand to keep some laser pointed at a perfect place on a rock. It can be more of a matter of micro management of the operation as it is occurring. Watching temp gauges of lasers. Watching energy input and output to maximize yield. Space and all things in it are moving. We should have to compensate now and then for orbital drift so that we maintain our position relative to the rocks we're mining. There is any number of ways or things that can be added that would require a miner to pay attention.

I'd like real time information about how much ore is left in the asteroid I have targeted. As it stands now we have to guess as to when to shut down a laser and change asteroids. If you don't you waste time as the laser cycles and yields nothing for your effort. I would also like to be able to scan down richer deposits of ore in belts. Surely there is a way to do this. They did it for PI. Why can we not do it for asteroid belts? Mining needs to engage the miner in the operation of extracting the ore. At the same time it should also be fun. I believe this can be achieved if CCP took a little time to be creative and figure out how this can be done. I understand CCP has some very creative people working on this game. Cut them loose and let's see just how creative they can be.

Also, there needs to be more asteroid belts that are not fixed. Sure there are grav sites now that we can scan down, but there is not enough. Often I am lucky to find one good grav site and it might contain a couple of dozen asteroids. We need more of these.

Mining is an integral part of EVE - even the designers of the game see it that way. If that is the case...then mining should not be something people dred doing. It should be a fairly fun activity. Surely the designers that gave us EVE to begin with can come up with a better system than we currently have.

Your post did come off a bit complaining. but I agree The mining side of eve really needs an overhaul, I love mining however i hate mining with no tank to just get better bonuses to mining Yield and mining time. Though just sitting there with a gang pewing rocks for hrs is not the most fun thing at all.

But i enjoy the result of it, taking it back to station for reprocessing and see how we did and how much we made in a certain amount of time.

There just needs to be more to mining instead of just getting to a Hulk and thats it unless you want to spread and go for Orca and Rorqual. Thats not me though i rather go and do it kind of guy not sit in a ship and wait for ore to come in my hold to either compress or transport it in orca.

There needs to be better mining vessels and better mods instead of Max hulk pilot here thats like uhh what now? Max crystals check, Implants Check Exhumers 5 check.

Ive had some ideas maybe you all might build off it and take it to CCP.

1. Make player mining contracts so corporations can hire industry corporations to mine ore - This will give Miners a purpose to mine.

2. Make a Null sec mining vessel, I know a hulk can put some tank on in null but its not good enough for its rats down there by itself unless you have a stable small shield booster.

3. Instead of mining belts being in a half circle make it actually a FIELD where your surounded by roids and you have navigate through it as if your trying to avoid colliding with them but mine it at the same time. Mining would be more fun if your trying not to run into them have them take damage (Collisions on) Prevents AFK mining ;)

4. as part of 3 i know roids spin make them move? i know roids dont sit still so why should a mining vessel sit still.

5. Have a Siege for a miner? possible idea

6. Have a mining vessel do compressions. I know the Rorqual does that but looking at the hulk and other vessels your seeing the moving parts on the ship so why not?

7. I know Eve is Player base but the NPC's need some life have Hired npc's to haul, mine ect higher payed npc's = better quality of job

8. instead of docking in station and accepting a mission which is dull and really boring this will help with combat and exploration is to have DISTRESS CALLS!!! Helps with exploring unknown space as well if people are stranded by rats, someone stuck in a Ion field and needs saving before the ship explodes, hell ambushes, NPC needing help mine A stranded ship with lost power these would make mining, combat and exploration really indepth and have people take risks into further systems.

9. Probably my first thought on improvements is Get rid of stasis webbifier, scrams and disruptors give ships weak points like Engines = dead in water or moving slow Reactor= Capacitor loss Shield Generators = weaken shields Armor Generators = Weaken armor Guns = Destroy weaponry. Better challenge if rats did that ;)

Maybe if mechanics allowed tanking with mining upgrades this wouldnt happen but then again looking at the killmails these are some really messed up fits how in the world taught these people to drive expensive ships with that kind of fail setups.

LOL i wish.

Would love to stick 2 T2 Medium Extenders and couple Invuls and have mining upgrades on the Hulk knowing the upgrades get 10% CPU penalty thats not going to happen.

Nope, you have like 1 module tank and max yield. Tank for max yield ^__^ But if you do, don't be surprised when you're easy to pop.

That's right because I've always said everyone has to play Eve my way.....oh, wait.... I say exactly the opposite every time!

Where do you come up with this stuff??

If you believe that, please hit the highway Fera, and biomass yourself on the way out!

Issler

So your argument against this suggestion is basically that people don't know when they're going to log in next, so this wouldn't be convenient for them? Great. Now we've got some communication. That's critical in situations like this where each person's viewpoint seems alien to the other. Let me tell you some things about me and Eve Online.

I live in null-sec and consider myself to be a fairly casual player. I don't always play for an hour or less a night, but often enough I do. An amazing thing about this - there are always corpmates and alliancemates online, doing their thing. When I log in, the people in my player organization are providing content that's usually a very reasonable distance from where I log in.

Prior to my time in null I was a director of an extremely laid-back Friday Night Piracy corp. We were as casual as they come, and posted kills routinely that would turn many PVP'ers green with envy. Doing this did not take 40 hours a week of gameplay. it didn't even take 5 hours a week.

So, how then is it that casual miners are somehow unable to integrate into user-created content because they don't know when they are going to log in next? If their corp and alliance is mining, shouldn't it be very straightforward for them to integrate into this activity, enhancing its efficiency with their own? What, exactly, about low and null-sec stops a miner from being able to cooperate with other human beings when, frankly, players of other more dangerous professions easily manage to do so 23 hours a day, 365.25 days a year? Can miners possibly be so inept as you appear to represent?