Ships & Modules

Solid fit. Don't look at the EHP, huh? lol why, because this is almost tankless, perhaps?

Rupture has just north of 1500 shield HP base and north of 16 armor HP base. Those Extender rigs give %-based increases. In other words, totally useless here. That, and the last thing a T1 Cruiser with a shyte tank needs is sig-bloom. Get rid of them.

Keep teh Anti-EM rig if you must. Fit a prop frig an A/C rig (damage or RoF- your choice). LSE II is fine. That, plus the speed, is all the tank you rightfully need.

Battlecruisers are what's right with Eve. For the cost of one recon or logistic boat, I can go out and burn 5-6 drakes and have hours of endless fun fighting.

Buff up low cost ships... really wish cruisers were stronger and there were battle logistics and recons which were in the 40-50m isk price range to fly.

sure, but it's great for DPS in pve situations! =)

not that a tier-3 BC isn't better, but what the heck? fly something different for a change.

Actually I have to call BS here, or partial BS anyway, Perhaps its true of non Matari Battlecruisers, a mwd on a Caracal without other speed mods gets you 1387 m/s and a mwd on a Hurricane without other speed mods gets you 1311 m/s this is not significantly faster, while the Caracal will align 3.1 seconds faster the hurricane isn't trying to orbit you tightly if you are in a cruser, he's coming straight at you as fast as he can. Better tracking for his guns and he out tanks you. Bear in mind that Caldari ships are among the most agile in their class, typically about tied with Minmatar ships of the same class in agility and you realize that the agility benefit of Gallente and Amarr ships is even less. Amarr Cruisers are a little slower than equivalent Caldari Cruisers and Gallente Cruisers are a bit Faster, but neither will do much over 1500 m/s with a mwd and no other speed mods. A Stabber will do over 2400 m/s with a mwd and no other speed mods, but there you go, its a winmater.

Yeah but a Rupture with a mwd and no other speed mods does just under 1600 m/s and I was looking for an example of a T1 Cruiser that does over 2 k/m as stated in the post I was responding to.

The rupture has the powergrid for all that?

Another problem with Armor Cruisers is that just to be considered passable they need a Battleship sized plate.

800mm and rigs still nerfs your speed lower then a Shield Cane while giving you far less HP. I really think if they want to fix Cruisers that has got to be something that needs to change.

Armor Cruisers being good without needing a Battleship plate is something to wish for.

Armor Battleships don't need anymore HP. They are already far ahead of Shield with what already exists. What's more do we need to further brick the game? More then enough HP as is. 1600mm Plates give them enough. I don't think Battlecruisers should be fitting Battleship sized plates realistically ether. Make them like Large Neutralizers, Cap Boosters and Microwarp Drives with massive PG need.

The key is to actually fix Cruiser sized plates. You said "Cruisers/BCs have 800mm as light plates (easy to fit)," but you're wrong they don't 800mm Plates because no Armor Cruiser pilot fits 800mm Plate they all fit massive 1600mm Plates. Otherwise they just plain suck and you know this.

Fix the disparity between Shield and Armor and you won't need oversized plates on everything to make it passable. Then maybe they can introduce Battleship sized shield extenders.

I did that with no prior planning. One of these days I was bound to stumble upon the right use of the words by plain out probability.

BTW. You know what makes me throw up. Spelling current with three r's.

No it isn't. They are meant to kill off Cruisers and be effective against them.

Yes their tank is fine. I don't want to see it nerfed.

No they shouldn't.

The problems they have are wide spread. Armor Cruisers slower then Shield Battlecruisers that have to cram on 1600mm Plates is one thing. But the list goes on and on. When it comes down to it the issues have to do with speed, utility, bonuses, base stats, slot layout, damage and fitting. Some Cruisers have the problem some don't.

As long as Armor needs 1600mm Plates on tiny hulls to stay relevant you won't fix the speed issue.

Biggest thing they can do is remove Rig Penalties. Right away makes makes Armor Cruisers as fast as Shield BC. Extenders and Plates already handle Mass and Sig while Active is Cap vs Amount.

I agree with everything you said but I prefer the every single option personally.