Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This thread is created by poor have me nots demanding equality. It promotes "all equal" philosphy in a game designed to do the opposite. I use +5s I can afford them, I pvp in them and they are just fine. If you can't you suck, you fail and no one cares.

You have no right to less risk, equality beyond rules we play by or any other nonsense.

This change equates to the fail often thrust upon games of risk, the lessening of it.

lol wut?

Yes, because the first thing ANYONE will tell you about Eve is to get attribute implants to speed up your training, and basically state that they're manditory.

Don't deny it.

Empire PVP doesn't count for risking implants, especially not highsec where you do yours.

Because we never pod people in high sec right? Get over yourself son, nullsec is no more challenging than low or high. It's merely sovereignty claimable space. Thats it. Nothing more.

Certainly for established large alliances its a worthwhile feature but the way it's portrayed as some nexus for elite pvp is a cliche joke.

Or put another way, if I wanted to pvp in nullsec playing stooge for someone else, I would and could be as equally efficient at it as I do in high sec. But unlike your predicament not only do I have access to a huge variety of bling ship toting morons, I can mission, market trade and do so without the logistics headache of null. One million isk battleship bounties aren't squat compared to what I make trading so to me the allure of being out there just doesn't exist.

If it was as awesome as you pretend it is people like yourself wouldn't have to try and sell it to everyone else as much as you do, nor would you have to endlessly bombard the forums with reasons why CCP should force people out there.

This.

this what? this is sh*t.
I was not about racial differences.

Implants are fine.

Just gotta repost this.

QFT!!

Can you use interdiction in highsec? How about lowsec?
No? That's entirely my point. There's almost zero risk to your pod in empire PVP unless you're a dumbass or just really, really unlucky.
The rest of your post was exceedingly irrelevant.
I'm not claiming anything about my playing style being superior to yours. I'm stating that there is, inherently, far greater risk to my pods than there is to yours. You can warp out, 100% of the time, as soon as your ship is destroyed. I don't always have that option.

I'm a high sec player and I'm personally in agreement with this idea. I don't typically pvp, and I hate even attempting to use a jump clone cause i'll lose my attribute implants for at least 24hrs. It would help me to get more involved in pvp. I'm not worried about losing ships cause I'll probably be flying fairly cheap ships like drakes, bombers, caracals ect. ect., but hey, that's just more combat for someone else isn't it?

However, this isn't the reason why I suggest to remove them and instead apply the +5 directly to the player. The reason I suggest this is because I do understand that attribute implants are generally a MUST in Eve for at least the first year. The first thing I've ever seen anyone tell a noob in a lot of cases is to get attribute implants. Hell, I've even personally given money to a noob to buy some +3's.
Attribute implants have basically been established as a neccessity as compared to a perk, so of course players are reluctant to risk them.

When it comes to atributes I find it unfair that ANYONE should have to reduce their training time in order to enjoy the game the way they want to while others get max it out and still enjoy the game they want to, but rarely ever have to risk them.

I feel so strongly about this because no one should ever have to risk less and gain more. Attribute implants are the only part of Eve that when applied to high sec is actually better than in low/null/wh space.

Hardwire implants are much more effective in pvp because for a pilot that knows what they're doing, they make a difference.
Mining is better
Ratting is better
Missions and incursions are better
Sites are better
complexes are better

Attribute implants?? They're the same...Unless you're getting podded more frequently...I which case they're not worth risking...Yet, aren't higher risks supposed to yield better results?

So wouldn't it make sense that someone in null should be able to train just as fast as anyone in high sec without having to risk losing millions of isk to do so??

I've never been podded in high sec even during a war. I was podded once by a low sec gate camp cause at the time I didn't know that pods could warp that quickly.

However, I lost like 6 pods in null sec, and I was only there for 2 weeks.

Again, I spend the vast majority of my time in high sec. So for me to say that it's unfair for them to have to risk lots of isk or lose training time? Well, that must mean it's unfair.

The only thing players should have to risk in relation to risk vs reward is isk. The more isk you risk, the more reward you get.
I don't risk much in high sec, so i don't get much.
However, I'm not risking my +5 implants and i'm gaining SP.
Nullers are risking isk in order to gain SP.

I personally think that apart from not having an updated clone and being in a t3, there should be no tie between risks and SP.

Reguardless of what anyone risks, we should all have the same potential for SP per min at equal risk.