EVE General Discussion

Do you even know what a scout is? Have you ever used one? There's no need in todays eve. There are no logistics.

Maybe some idea in between keeping it as it is and entirely removing jump gates?

How about reducing the accuracy of jump gates?

As an example; if I bookmark a can in a solar system, subsequent warps to that bookmark at "0" results in a wide range of accuracy relative to the total distance traveled. Yeah, I'll be within a certain distance of the can, but at what appear to be random spots within a sphere surrounding that can. And that's just a measure of AU's in a solar system. However, when I use a jumpgate, traveling distances measured in light years, I land within a sphere that is a relatively tiny target given the distance involved.

I guess a good analogy would be to stand 10 meters from a 2 cm target and reliably toss a small pebble within 5 cm of the target, versus, stand 100 meters from the same target and reliably land a small pebble within 15 cm of the target. The ratio of distance to accuracy doesn't intuitively make sense.

Make jumpgates a means to leave a system--aimed at a different system--but the arrival location a random spot within the solar system.

Proof you know nothing about nullsec.

So what you are saying is you want it to take 3-4 hours for a fleet to travel through nullsec, each way.

And what makes you think this will create more fights? And fights would be shorter since reinforcements would take hours as well, there'd be no point.

When we cross the galaxy quickly it is because it was setup days, if not weeks, in advance. Each jump calculated in advance, someone flew to each location to setup a safe POS and get a cyno going.

Impromptu hot drops need to be in a very short range, depending on what you are hot dropping. A standard fleet needs a titan bridge (so 60b and a lot of training) and has the range of about a region. A carrier can skip over a region (so ~1.5b and over a year of training). Both of these assume good skills. Black ops hotdrops have limited range as well.

You can simply look at the map (average players in space) to see if there is a hostile camp or hotdrop ready to go. Hot drops are annoying but it's part of the game. I'm sorry you lost your tengu to a bunch of bombers or whatever but HTFU.

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Also I think this is backwards. We need to allow more cynos, I think covert cynos need to be allowed in 0.8 and lower. This would add great fun to highsec warfare.

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In addition, capitals and super capitals should be able to use stargates like a cyno. They get near them, just like any other ship, and click jump. Instead of the gate activating it downloads the information for the destination gate and uses the jump drive to jump to it. This still consumes fuel (and ends up consuming more because it's not a straight line if you are jumping more than 1 system).

This doesn't make travel safer since if you jumped into a bubble or got pointed a capital could not use the gate because they need the use of their jump drive. Again, since the use of a JD is required this would not allow them to enter jammed systems either.

I'm sorry you lost your tengu to a bunch of bombers or whatever but HTFU.

If were talking speed nerf then by all logic you should nerf the **** out of wh travel too. I mean come on its not fair for a carrier to skip 20 gates, how could it be fair for a freighter to go from highsec to 40 jumps deep into 0.0 in 1 or 2 wh jumps.

I fail to see any logic or any form of proof on how jump drives break the game. Sounds to me like original poster is just pissin and moaning about something trivial. The jump drive mechanism is fine. Fix the gate travel before the jump drives.

Ummm people still use this stuff in null, what are you talking about?

I remember the convoys of Bestowers (escorted) coming in and out of Fountain in the old days. Good days.

If Eve was not horribly broken back then as compared to now (you have no idea really), it would have really promoted regionalism. But so many problems compounded each other and we first got the super highways, then smuggler gates, then cynos.

It has made the cluster a very small place.

Proof you know nothing about nullsec.


So basically you want to go backwards and remove warp to 0?

Okay, using a secret jump planning tool, I've measured out how many jumps it would take to get from the northernmost system, 3KNA-N in Branch, to the southernmost system, LX5K-W in Paragon Soul, using a Jump Drive Calibration 5 Carrier, which has the longest jump range of any jump capable ship.

It is 7 jumps.

Now, if we were to use a different ship, like a Titan, it is 17 jumps. That is the maximum. Both of these however, require a metric fuckton of fuel, will require cynos placed in potentially hostile systems, and everything.

So it would be a total of 17 cynos from one side of the other for a Jump Portaled subcap fleet, requiring more fuel than cargo space on all the ships involved.

Edit: Here is the route involved:
Titan - 5/4 Route: 3KNA-N -> BWI1-9 -> JTAU-5 -> Y-4CFK -> QPO-WI -> XD-TOV -> Passari -> Tunudan -> Decon -> Tararan -> Y9-MDG -> 2-TEGJ -> G-ME2K -> O5Y3-W -> ZG8Q-N -> C9N-CC -> 5AQ-5H -> LX5K-W
17 Jumps, Fuel: 70510 Round Trip: 141020