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I want my SP refunded

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#241 - 2012-05-09 07:41:46 UTC
Pilgrims suck now I want my Amarr Cruiser V back.
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#242 - 2012-05-09 10:32:30 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…and again, there is a difference between actually useless and choosing not to use a skill.

No. It is only for you a difference and because you are being selfish. Does a white umbrella protect better from rain than a black one does? I doubt it, yet they are different. A difference sometimes does not matter and is only a difference.


...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
Whitehound
#243 - 2012-05-09 12:00:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
These are not trades.
Yes they are, because we're talking about using market trading in addition to contract trading, remember?

No. A trade is a successful transaction.

Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
What things?
Anything he likes.

You can do better than this. Name a few and show how you make profit with these. This should not be hard since you must have the same skills and are talking from experience, right?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Francisco Bizzaro
#244 - 2012-05-09 12:16:04 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…and again, there is a difference between actually useless and choosing not to use a skill.

No. It is only for you a difference and because you are being selfish. Does a white umbrella protect better from rain than a black one does? I doubt it, yet they are different. A difference sometimes does not matter and is only a difference.


...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

The Chewbacca Defense is not used enough on these forums. Many threads could be shortened.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#245 - 2012-05-09 12:39:21 UTC
Francisco Bizzaro wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…and again, there is a difference between actually useless and choosing not to use a skill.

No. It is only for you a difference and because you are being selfish. Does a white umbrella protect better from rain than a black one does? I doubt it, yet they are different. A difference sometimes does not matter and is only a difference.


...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

The Chewbacca Defense is not used enough on these forums. Many threads could be shortened.


I'm surprised this one still is, the OP seems might precious about those contracts. What a shame TwistedTwistedTwisted

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#246 - 2012-05-09 14:10:19 UTC
Gay Mafia Princess wrote:
1) You are being ignorant of my feelings
2) You don't dictate CCP policies
3) They changed the game so much I don't want to do anything with contracts anymore thus why I want my SP back


1) Boohoo. HTFU. Here's a tissue.
2) Neither do you. STFU
3) Please see below:
They added new battlecruisers and I don't want anything to do with BC anymore thus I want my SP back.
They remodelled some ship skins and I don't want anything to do with those ships, thus I want my SP back.
The global economic crisis screwed up the economy, and I lost my job, thus I want my time and money spent on education back.
It was raining all last week and I bought an umbrella, but it's stopped this week. I don't want anything to do with my umbrella anymore, thus I want my money back.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#247 - 2012-05-09 14:25:25 UTC
Gay Mafia Whitehound wrote:
CCP changed things so much that I just don't want to be bothered with it anymore.


And yet, 6 pages later, you're still evidently very bothered by it.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#248 - 2012-05-09 14:26:53 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
I'll save you guys the time to read this thread.

Cliffs:
Gay Mafia Princess wants CCP to reimburse contract skillpoints although A) Contracts has not changed 1 bit B) He wants to contract scam with faction mods and that puts a dent in his scamming business

His logic is that CCP somehow changed contracts (again it has not) therefore CCP must reimburse SP's for contracts.

Ergo he's being a baby. No one in this thread agrees with him.

Edit: Disregard above post. He's 100% scamming. Why? He/she/it refuses to answer the question of how this affects their "legitimate" business.



+1
Whitehound
#249 - 2012-05-09 16:26:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
I cannot say much about contract scams. I never fell for one of them. People whining about the OP must have fallen for a scam at some point. Why else the cry for revenge?

People who fall for scams are just dumb and they should fall for scams. They deserve to fall for them. It is in the interest of all human civilization.

And do not say one cannot scam with market orders. Not that I do it, but I get players paying me several times the price that I have asked with my sell orders. Perhaps do not play when drunk?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#250 - 2012-05-09 17:04:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Whitehound wrote:
No. A trade is a successful transaction.
That is a closed trade. We're talking having more trades open, remember? Now he can have more of them — that's very beneficial.

Quote:
You can do better than this. Name a few and show how you make profit with these.
No, the question was answered in full. Anything can be sold at a profit using both the market and contracts. He already knows how to do this, otherwise he wouldn't have been using the skills. That's the whole point: nothing has changed about contracts, so there is literally zero reason for him to get an SP refund. The difference is that with the modules he has specialised in, he can now do it using both of those avenues and thus have more trades open at once (not to mention the other ways you can use contracts to make money, which have already been explained on numerous occasions).

Quote:
And do not say one cannot scam with market orders.
…which just shows that there is no reason for him to get his SP back even if that's the issue, since he can still make money the exact same way as before.

Serge Bastana wrote:
I'm surprised this one still is, the OP seems might precious about those contracts. What a shame TwistedTwistedTwisted
More precisely, what a shame.
Andrey Wartooth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#251 - 2012-05-09 17:10:08 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
I cannot say much about contract scams. I never fell for one of them. People whining about the OP must have fallen for a scam at some point. Why else the cry for revenge?

People who fall for scams are just dumb and they should fall for scams. They deserve to fall for them. It is in the interest of all human civilization.

And do not say one cannot scam with market orders. Not that I do it, but I get players paying me several times the price that I have asked with my sell orders. Perhaps do not play when drunk?


See, this could be a valid observation, but people in this thread have repeated stated that they would be MORE sympathetic to the OP if she were trying to scam with contracts and was having difficulty.

Instead the OP insists that her contract dealings are totally legit, which makes her complaints very odd, considering the fact that nothing major has changed as far as her ability to sell faction mods.
Whitehound
#252 - 2012-05-09 17:25:26 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
No. A trade is a successful transaction.
That is a closed trade.

That is a tautology.

Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
You can do better than this. Name a few and show how you make profit with these.
No, ... the question was answered in full.

There is no question. The OP demands her SPs refunded. She is not asking for it ... Did you have a question? If you let me know what your question was then I can try to answer it for you.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Radelix Cisko
JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE
#253 - 2012-05-09 17:36:12 UTC
13 pages about someone complaining about expanded functionality....

I trained contracts to sell researched blueprints. I heard that is very lucrative with the right BP's

Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game
Whitehound
#254 - 2012-05-09 18:02:51 UTC
Radelix Cisko wrote:
13 pages about someone complaining about expanded functionality....

I trained contracts to sell researched blueprints. I heard that is very lucrative with the right BP's

Interesting. What would you do when CCP decided to show the ME/PE levels of blueprints and copies sold over the market?

Would you then train more market orders, forget your contract skills, and live happily ever after like ... a tool?!

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#255 - 2012-05-09 18:20:45 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
That is a tautology.
…which is why we're talking about open trades.
Quote:
There is no question.
…aside from yours, which was answered in full. Also, nice edit. Very sneaky. Also highly dishonest.
Quote:
The OP demands her SPs refunded. She is not asking for it
…and there is no reason to grant his wish, since nothing has changed.
Quote:
Interesting. What would you do when CCP decided to show the ME/PE levels of blueprints and copies sold over the market?
He will probably carry on doing what he currently does since, you know, they already do that.
Whitehound
#256 - 2012-05-09 19:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
That is a tautology.
…which is why we're talking about open trades.

No. A tautology only means you have lost the argument.

Accept it. There is nothing wrong with players making demands. If it was then we would not get gifts from CCP when it is their birthday.

What is wrong are players who pretend to be CCP, who think they act and talk like CCP, who think they are hard by accepting every nonsense and who fail to realize they are only being idiots.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#257 - 2012-05-09 19:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Whitehound wrote:
No. A tautology only means you have lost the argument.
No, it means you're trying to introduce a red herring, since we're not talking about the tautology but about the open trades. So yes, by introducing the tautology, you lost the argument. Accept it. The simple fact remains: the OP now has more open trades at his disposal than before, and this is beneficial to him.

Quote:
Accept it. There is nothing wrong with players making demands.
Sure, but when those demands are unreasonable, there is nothing wrong with pointing this out and explaining that nothing of the sort will happen. The OP has no reason for getting his SP back since nothing has changed about contracts, and his situation has actually improved since he can now have more trades open at once in the area he's familiar with.

As always when you can no longer respond to the points being made, you start rolling out the fallacies and personal attacks. Maybe you should try some actual arguments instead…
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#258 - 2012-05-09 19:47:52 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
That is a tautology.
…which is why we're talking about open trades.

No. A tautology only means you have lost the argument.

Accept it. There is nothing wrong with players making demands. If it was then we would not get gifts from CCP when it is their birthday.

What is wrong are players who pretend to be CCP, who think they act and talk like CCP, who think they are hard by accepting every nonsense and who fail to realize they are only being idiots.



Are you and Gay Mafia Princess the same person? You seem incredibly unwilling to understand anyone's well reasoned comments regarding this subject. It is really quite simple, Princess is whining on the forums because he/she/it feels that the scams they used to pull off on the contract market are no longer viable. He/she/it is unwilling to admit this is the case, ergo, no-one here can offer any real assistance by way of advice, nor should they offer any kind of support to someone who has done everything possible to avoid answering one seemingly simple question.

It is also worth noting that no one is saying that customers do not have a right to voice a complaint, but when that customer refuses to validate or explain that complaint, it is also not unreasonable for everyone else to remain on the sidelines. As far as I can tell, no-one attempting to seriously converse with either yourself or Princess has alluded to them being as knowledgeable as CCP, nor that they speak on behalf of them. What most intelligent posters are saying is based on common sense, past experience with the company in question and at the very least, a rudimentary understanding of both game mechanics and realistic business models.

Perhaps you should cease your trolling, you already look quite foolish.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Whitehound
#259 - 2012-05-09 20:02:37 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Are you and Gay Mafia Princess the same person? ...

Why would anyone ask such a question? And you think I am the fool here?!? Roll

Cutter Isaacson wrote:
It is also worth noting that no one is saying that customers do not have a right to voice a complaint ...

Looks to me like the exact opposite. Most people are trying to refuse the OP her demand. Why else are they all crying out? My guess is they all know that they act foolish and they do it because they can.

If there was a forum rule that says "Do not act foolish." then one could likely close the forum.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Andrey Wartooth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#260 - 2012-05-09 20:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrey Wartooth
Are you going to respond to this post, Whitehound?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1272646#post1272646

Essentially all we are getting from you and the OP is that she wants her SP refunded because contracts. With no other explanation or reason to it.