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New dev blog: Factional Warfare overhaul

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CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#81 - 2012-05-09 19:08:06 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Congratulations.

You've made me give a ****.


Twisted


<3
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-05-09 19:08:34 UTC
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
It seems to me a piece of the puzzle that is missing is how Rank fits in: rank should narrow what may be purchased in the LP store. One cannot simply switch sides, just to cash in when another side is winning. It would also be the basis of a diminishing returns since higher ranks would be more difficult to achieve.

Your rank in a militia corp doesn't change when you leave, it just doesn't get displayed.

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-05-09 19:09:32 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
The only good way to fix this and maintain a reason to fight would be to completely redo FW LP stores.

Each FW LP store should only carry unique items that you cannot get (cheaply) anywhere else. The store should consist of unique items, or uniquely-cheap items. This would solve the problem and if one side started getting creamed, their LP values would shoot through the roof.


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you are missing the fact that there are people out there who want to have fun rather than maximizing profit.


If I could have fun and get a bunch of ISK, or have fun and get none, I'm going to choose the former. Choosing the winning militia isn't necessarily any less fun.


problem is balancing these items to the rest of the game, an issue CCP is not well know for being able to deal with.

also several ways of farming have been opened up by this new FW plan.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#84 - 2012-05-09 19:10:00 UTC
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
It seems to me a piece of the puzzle that is missing is how Rank fits in: rank should narrow what may be purchased in the LP store. One cannot simply switch sides, just to cash in when another side is winning. It would also be the basis of a diminishing returns since higher ranks would be more difficult to achieve.

How do you rise in Ranks? Meet Mr. Killboard.

i am -9.5 with minmatar, switching sides isn't simple

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Maz3r Rakum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-05-09 19:10:06 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
Congratulations.

You've made me give a ****.


Twisted


<3


http://i.imgur.com/jNoGA.jpg
Zu Tsang
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#86 - 2012-05-09 19:10:13 UTC
If you lose a system, in which you have assets, is there any possible way to get these assets back beside re-capturing the whole system ? i.e. contract them to an alt etc... Or are they destroyed ?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#87 - 2012-05-09 19:10:21 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
NPC/Faction balance are borked and SHOULD have been addressed ages ago and certainly well before any of this crap.

Yeah, along with redoing all missions to match recent mechanics (90% webs = wtf), and a whole bunch of other stuff. However it's not :awesome fun: coding, and the base code base is likely sealed in a black box that nobody wants to touch, so... yeah. Not gonna happen, unfortunately.

Also I would really really like to see a Rifter solo a major or a standard site sometime. It would be eye-opening.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#88 - 2012-05-09 19:10:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
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i am -9.5 with minmatar, switching sides isn't simple


But for someone who is just switching into faction warfare, who hasn't tanked their standings yet with either side, it is.


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Yeah, along with redoing all missions to match recent mechanics (90% webs = wtf), and a whole bunch of other stuff. However it's not :awesome fun: coding, and the base code base is likely sealed in a black box that nobody wants to touch, so... yeah. Not gonna happen, unfortunately.

Also I would really really like to see a Rifter solo a major or a standard site sometime. It would be eye-opening.


CCP has had a good track record in the past few months with fixing broken things. Do you think redoing all Exploration sites and missions to allow MWDs was :awesome coding:? How about fixing the UI or redoing the inventory system? Nerfing drone poop and system truesec?

If they do all that, then what makes you think they wouldn't fix this?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#89 - 2012-05-09 19:11:20 UTC
Rhaile Vhindiscar wrote:
"You want to do research, fine? The best way is to go kill people." I can see how that would play out to a potential scientist. So, are you really telling industrialist to join fw or just creating an interdependence without any real justification?

Overhaul datacore mining some other way. Get datacores out of FW. It doesn't make sense fluff wise or mechanic wise. You just got done telling people you're not going to let them shoot npcs to build things (drone nerf)...then you tell them you are going to make them shoot npcs to build things (fw overhaul). All you did was change the position in the production chain.


If you are shooting NPC's in FW to build things, you won't be getting anywhere fast. Rather you will be shooting PEOPLE to build things. Smile

Data Cores already come from NPC corporations as rewards, why not from factions as well...

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#90 - 2012-05-09 19:14:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Actually, something I didn't take into account was the addition of datacores to FW LP stores. This means that a larger percentage of the FW LP store is faction-exclusive, which will help the market-balancing element to this.

I still think the FW store will need an overhaul but not quite as badly as I had thought.
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#91 - 2012-05-09 19:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Haifisch Zahne
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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-05-09 19:18:15 UTC
the whole datacore thing still remains a stupid thing

all the other changes however, they actually make sense in my head, thats a big change from how they have been before
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2012-05-09 19:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Alx Warlord
Ranger 1 wrote:
Rhaile Vhindiscar wrote:
"You want to do research, fine? The best way is to go kill people." I can see how that would play out to a potential scientist. So, are you really telling industrialist to join fw or just creating an interdependence without any real justification?

Overhaul datacore mining some other way. Get datacores out of FW. It doesn't make sense fluff wise or mechanic wise. You just got done telling people you're not going to let them shoot npcs to build things (drone nerf)...then you tell them you are going to make them shoot npcs to build things (fw overhaul). All you did was change the position in the production chain.


If you are shooting NPC's in FW to build things, you won't be getting anywhere fast. Rather you will be shooting PEOPLE to build things. Smile

Data Cores already come from NPC corporations as rewards, why not from factions as well...


"as well"? ... it sounds like they will remove the passive gain of them in no time!! ...

This means that as some faction start to lose and produce less datacores, it's price will go up and more people will join it to get datacores......

But anyway, the Tech 2 prices, that was "skyrocketing" becouse of the T1 prices increase, will now be "Skymicrowarpdriving!"...

This is sad... the more expensive a ship is, the biger is the cost to PVP....

At last we can still find datacores in Radar sites...

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#94 - 2012-05-09 19:20:32 UTC
Getting LP for kills and flipping systems is a great conflict motivator in my book.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#95 - 2012-05-09 19:21:53 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
The only good way to fix this and maintain a reason to fight would be to completely redo FW LP stores.

Each FW LP store should only carry unique items that you cannot get (cheaply) anywhere else. The store should consist of unique items, or uniquely-cheap items. This would solve the problem and if one side started getting creamed, their LP values would shoot through the roof.


Quote:
you are missing the fact that there are people out there who want to have fun rather than maximizing profit.


If I could have fun and get a bunch of ISK, or have fun and get none, I'm going to choose the former. Choosing the winning militia isn't necessarily any less fun.

of course. but not everyone thinks like you do. Some see being in the winning team as boring. Those who want pvp won't use the imbalanced side since they want targets. It'tll balance itself.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Maz3r Rakum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2012-05-09 19:26:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Maz3r Rakum
Bienator II wrote:
Kahega Amielden wrote:
The only good way to fix this and maintain a reason to fight would be to completely redo FW LP stores.

Each FW LP store should only carry unique items that you cannot get (cheaply) anywhere else. The store should consist of unique items, or uniquely-cheap items. This would solve the problem and if one side started getting creamed, their LP values would shoot through the roof.


Quote:
you are missing the fact that there are people out there who want to have fun rather than maximizing profit.


If I could have fun and get a bunch of ISK, or have fun and get none, I'm going to choose the former. Choosing the winning militia isn't necessarily any less fun.

of course. but not everyone thinks like you do. Some see being in the winning team as boring. Those who want pvp won't use the imbalanced side since they want targets. It'tll balance itself.



Those who want pvp will drop milita so they can doc anywhere and don't have to deal with some stupid sov mechanic.

edit- and switching sides isn't particularly easy due to the standings mechanic
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2012-05-09 19:28:10 UTC  |  Edited by: FeralShadow
Well I think a lot of people don't realize that people like me exist, who just loves to shoot lots of crap. Joining the losing side to have TONS of targets is a benefit in and of itself. Joining FW is like being a pirate, without having to deal with the stupid gate turrets

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#98 - 2012-05-09 19:30:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Can you please elaborate on the datacore changes?

Is RP/day going down or up?

Are we getting less Datacores per day equivalent?

How do the militia pull out datacores in bulk? Which source do you primarily see being the dominating factor in new datacore prices? It's very ambiguous in the blog how this will affect datacore prices in general.

Where I am.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#99 - 2012-05-09 19:32:07 UTC
Quote:
of course. but not everyone thinks like you do. Some see being in the winning team as boring. Those who want pvp won't use the imbalanced side since they want targets. It'tll balance itself.


Then I ask you why the Caldari militia is still getting shafted, even though there aren't any mechanics right now to really encourage joining them?

Do you think that will get -better- when people are directly given incentive to join Gallente?
Destru Kaneda
Arzad Police Department
#100 - 2012-05-09 19:34:38 UTC
Conflict driver? Local chat.

I like it best when the beats are naked.