Ships & Modules

Tachyon's also hold the current longest snipe range (using aurora L) if i'm not mistaken.
I think an apoc can easily shoot out of max. targeting range (with sensor boosters & scripts etc..)

no, not range. dps... afaik?

So, three weeks later, I come back, read through the pages of posts...

And no one has addressed the issue.

EM/Therm damage sucks for at least 50% of content. Other races don't have this problem, or have it to a lesser extent.

I don't care if they nerf lasers in some other fashion to balance it out, but lasers need to access other damage somehow.

I don't care about Legion vs. Tengu, or if Scorch is awesome stat-wise, or what is happening on the projectile front.

Damage. Type. Sucks.

My god... a world based on rock/paper/scissors and rock is complaining that paper beats rock...

Who would have thought?

Anyways...

This argument about lasers is comical, mostly because you are looking at a weapon system alone, not the ship that they are fitted to. The discussion about Zealot vs Vaga is probably closest to hitting the nail on the head since it begins to look at the hulls that use the respective weapon systems instead of the weapon systems themselves.

Yes, lasers have problems with cap and tracking. They, however, have excellent optimal and very fast ammo selection. Lasers have the best damage projection at range. For most hull classes lasers can project higher dps at farther ranges (which if you are able to dictate range is a significant advantage...), which helps to mitigate some of its downfalls (nuets, tracking, ect.). So if you want to continue to focus on single 1v1 fights between certain hulls (yes I know that simple linear systems are easier for people to think of...) then by all means, but I can't really remember the last time I was involved in a true 1v1 fight.

Besides, if we were to go on the popularity of ship types in pvp to base weapon system performance, missiles have every one beat, Tengu blobs are the FOTM.

I do however have a feeling that lasers at the cap level are about to make a reappearance in significant quantities with the recent changes to dreads... Revelation anyone?

Christ man, you want CCP to nerf lasers so that you can stop deliberately reducing your effectiveness in some carebear ****? You waited three weeks for more posters to mew that lasers aren't so good for some rats when one week will give you a Minmatar BS and large projectiles? When all the high-end rats in the game have omni resists!? When you could spend one hour flying to a region where lasers are super-effective?

Get. Out.

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And since I'm talking in this thread, I'll try to contribute something to the subject, even though I am terrible at this game:

In 1v1, in small stuff, laser users feel inferior because they run into same-size Minmatar boats that can close range and do superior brawling DPS. Laser users could do more damage if they could keep range - but they can't, so they don't, so they die. If they're significantly better tanked and if they have a bit of time before enemy backup arrives, then they could still win with less DPS -- but maybe it's more typical for them to compare DPS numbers in EFT and then exchange their narrow chance at victory for not-enough-additional-DPS and an even faster death.

Outside of 1v1, lasers have the rock advantage - which is not a reference to tanking, but to positioning. It's easier for an entire gang of laser boats to apply max DPS to a target than for an entire gang of projectile boats to do this.

Rather than whine about lasers, laser users who feel inferior for the reasons above should get into a slicer, or get into a T2 boat, or get into bigger boats, or get into gangs and reflect on how easy it is for them to sit back and burn down whoever their buddies get tackle on.

Lazors would be cool if CCP created thermal damage dealing ammo.

Lazors are only good for showing off.

Like that Bhaalgorn at Jita 4-4 undock during Burn Jita event.

- Paper thin tank
- Bad tracking with Scorch
- Limited damage types
- Slow

No wonder it gets destroyed so often.

Slicers are very good, their power comes from range bonused Scorch and the very un-Amarr ability of being able to dictate range. They're also about the only small ship in the game that can actually fit medium pulses in non-lol setups. They're good because they're an exception to the rule.

How's it good if it can't break Dagan's tank?