EVE General Discussion

Greetings capsuleer Arragosa,

First, may I offer my thanks for your correction. The sheer scope of New Eden and the various dialects found there often means those from different regions, particularly when using more common and unfamiliar languages, make mistakes. I will try not to make that particular one in future.

As to your comments about peace; I agree whole heartedly. I am a member of the Tribal Liberation Force to help ensure and protect as many Minmattarian citizens as I can; to ensure they can live a life of peace, happiness and prosperity despite the dark threats looming from Ammarr and Caldari space. I am one of the guardians of the border that allow my people to live in relative peace.

It is good that we see eye to eye on this; because peace should be the ultimate goal, should it not? The sad reality of life in New Eden is that while there are those of us dedicated to it there are hordes of ravening madmen who seek to take what is ours, to convert our people to their foul religion, to bend them over the altars of false gods ...

Those of us in the Tribal Liberation Force are often undersupplied and we struggle with the costs of fitting and flying ships, often held together by spit and glue, while traders who live in this peaceful world we try and create for them eke out a battle of 0.1 ISK and cause chaos within the markets.

We cannot be everywhere, even though we try our best. It may even be there are pilots in the militia of your empire that seek the same as I do for Minmattarians and I would wager be they Caldari, Ammarian scum or even a Gallentean they will have the same problems.

Space is big. We cannot be everywhere. Thus you have the ability to fight, to run, to work together. Should you need escort services for an operation, please le me know. I will see if we have pilots to spare. I cannot make any guarantees, but I can certainly try.

Regards,

Shian Yang

true but sad that 1% of eve player base or less that post on these fourms control what gets done in the game.

mining is only boring if you solo play

I have 5 accounts running and it can get bizzy at times alt tabbing :)


if they made it more interactive I would have to give up all my alt accounts as I would not be able to keep up with it
so ccp would lose in that case for sure

so care needs to be taken as to how much chane they do

Skipped the entire thread except the first page. My post is an all over the place rant but tldr: nerfing highsec ore will "fix" mining.

Mining is boring alone. Why anyone mines alone, I have no idea.

Mining has enough ships, mods, etc. It's fine there.

What mining needs is a reason to mine in a group and take risks in low sec and null sec. It needs a reason to hold ops out there, with a real fleet with a real purpose, with PVPers to guard the ships and actual excitement. That's how mining should be. A bunch of ships being baby sat by PVPers until it gets hot dropped and all the miners run and the PVPers fight until someone wins and then everyone goes and reships and repeats this process.

Mine, Build, Destroy.

All ore needs to be removed from 0.8- 1.0 and 0.5 - 0.7 needs to only have veld. Low sec and null sec should remain unchanged. This solves the biggest reason people hate mining. This would force people to figure out how to get ore from more dangerous areas, force them to fleet up and work together as a team and actually do something other than sit around semi-afk watching TV and printing ISK.

Time for miners to realize this game is not supposed to be easy mode. Also it's an MMORPG, you're supposed to play with other people not sit in a belt by yourself bitching because the game is boring because you chose to do the most boring thing in it.

My friends and I will never stop ganking high sec miners until this is done. Mining should not be easy mode autopilot afk ISK.

Also, if mining is so terrible you have to whine around to make it better why do you do it? Just stop doing it if you don't like it. Duh? Why do people insist on doing something that isn't enjoyable and then ***** to have it made their way. If you don't like mining TRY SOMETHING ELSE.

Itd also fix one of the biggest QQs about this game: PVP

So little east access ore wold make ships insanely expensive and kill PVP

Other than in alliances with moon goo.... hey...

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Not a goon but CFC yes.

It would increase PVP. Read my post. Mining ops would be required to be held by all major alliances in order to build anything. That means everyone, including goons, would have to hold these ops. A bunch of mining ships sitting around is just inviting someone to attack them. Hence they need a fleet to defend them. So of course another fleet is going to challenge that fleet and that's where we get fun.

You have null sec with bubbles and low sec without bubbles. Low sec would be safer for smaller corps/alliances.

As it stands now there is no reason to mine in null sec so there's nothing to really interrupt. You have people running missions/anoms but those are by nature combat ships and don't really "need" protection. Mining ships do, even now, but right now sharing the profit from mining with someone to protect you makes you make less than you would mining in high sec even though it involves significantly more risk. It's why no one does it and why everyone in null sec hates high sec miners.

You sit in belts and mine away printing ISK with near zero effort. You destroy this game. That is why we hate you, that is why we gank you. If this change was implemented miners would be prized instead of laughed at. Miners would be REQUIRED and DESIRED by null sec alliances so they could build their massive fleets and do what they do now. No more could they just buy ships high sec carebares made in high sec and import them. They would have to get these minerals themselves and build the ships themselves. This is a major game changing suggestion.

It might be possible to form a corporation that could pay for miner plexes and barges that are in turn used to make the money and reasonably used for bait for a PVP division willing to stay relatively close. I've created the bulk of a new business model but the PVP section isn't self supporting cause gankers use such cheap ships. Moving into low solves several financial problems though. IF the PVPers and miners switched it could be made to work but finding people that like to do both seems like an outlandish idea. I don't have any numbers for low sec returns. Ships and modules I would suspect would drop more though. I'm thinking a corp could provide ships or plex but not both but I need some more numbers.

Any input on lowsec piracy income? Do you think miner griefers/pirates/industrialists would chase barges in low sec if their was risk involved to them?

Honestly if not for ganking mineral prices would be terribly low. All these miners against PVP need to realize that's where there minerals are going, into the very ships blowing them and others up. It's ironic really. Without PVP there would be no real need for minerals and no need for mining. People would rarely lose ships so there would be little demand for anything.

This is why my suggestion is so ideal. Because it forces people to be in a situation where their ships can be destroyed, this feeds the economy. Currently the system keeps too many ships safe while letting them print massive amounts of ISK and that hurts the economy.

Well as long as, per the suggestion, highsec areas had the Veldspar to produce trit in, we'd be good until CCP nerfs the compression machines...

Mining is for bots.

You are trying to eliminate risk by simply scaring off pirates/etc. This is the opposite intention. They are supposed to attack you, you are supposed to lose ships, you are supposed to hopefully maybe win if you are properly prepared. The cost of this will be reflected in the price you charge for minerals.

CCP would have to come up with a way to do this gradually because doing it all at once would totally screw the economy for a while. They should start with removing ore from very high sec systems (0.8 - 1.0) and then slowly remove higher end ores from high sec one at a time until all that is left is veld.

It might be needed to increase the spawn rate of other ore in low/null. I say leave the veld in high so that new people can try mining when they are new and see what it's like mechanics wise, they can hear the stories and maybe that will make them go hey that sounds like fun.

I personally have guarded miners in null, it's actually quite fun. Talking on comms and joking around until something happens. But I do it because it's fun and I had nothing better to do at the time. I made nothing from it because if I had took payment those miners would have made so little it would not have been worth it for them.

Miners are afraid that this will nerf them but it only nerfs high sec and does not nerf miners. You just need to join a corp and make these things, I think they are called friends. You mine with them and have a good time. Not only is it much more fun but you are making ISK! Imagine that. It also makes botting marginally harder though that has nothing to do with my suggestion.