Missions & Complexes

It is awesome that CCP is making a thread that they are soaking in and replying to the on topic post's, The start to Inferno was a slippy one, With CCP taking a lot of concern in the playerbase feedback in Incursions is a good start to Inferno, We all are aware some information was miss placed in the Dev Blogs, You guys have admitted that which is fantastic!

With the latest Incursion patch/nerf all community's have been hit hard, Many community leaders are relaying feedback to CCP directly, This is fantastic, It is hard to adjust the Incursions based on statistics, We are aware that some testing was done on the "Test Server" which a lot of people never knew about or took any notice, With the feedback the patch was released.

Yes there is a lot of community's that have been hit, It was time that Incursions got Nerfed, The amount of Isk you could earn per hour was a bit much, Causing Plex's to rocket over a period of months with other market goods/items, With the patch it will filter out the communitys that are not willing to adapt, This meaning they will go inactive or lose there playerbase, It is nice to see TVP, BTL and other Incursion community's with some Blitzer community's still running and adapting to the change.

I think everyone is aware that we took advantage of Incursions, I will admit they need to be looked at once again, Maybe reinstating the 500k Isk back in with some of the NPC's pulled out of some sites or adding Triggers allowing some community's to Blitz, Meaning that they could go for Risk = Reward, Allowing them to risk there Five Billion Isk ships in the Insane amount of Dps incoming from the NPC'S

There is some room for improvement, Running site's and getting Feedback from community's about how they are handling the Vanguard change's which are the main site which is ran in the Incursion scene, Pre-Patch the NMC was the thing that people hated, Now it has turned into the OTA wall which people are just refusing to do, The main reason they are not willing to do this is due to the fact they lack the know how or have the pilots to do them, Meaning community's are going to become a lot more popular, Instead of joining some random fleet and losing your Machariel.

In my opinion, Site's need to be changed or altered, For instance.

NMC - This is becoming the main site that is being ran by shield fleet's, When you enter the site you will notice that there is more Frig's with Cruiser's meaning it is going to take longer to complete the site: Remove some of The Cruiser's in the First Wave and the Last Wave, Maybe one per for those two wave's, It is nice that there is more Frig's in the VG's this means that fleet's need to have a drone bunny allowing more to the fleet comp, Meaning more fun for the pilots.

OTA - The site that everyone is starting to hate, I do not understand why they are hating it but lets look into it: The thing i would do is Remove the Hacking tower or move is closer, It never get's used, So why waste the pixel's, The other thing i would suggest is to Remove the Mara's, For public/shiny fleet's they are very annoying, They orbit at 60km, if you do not have the correct fleet comp you will just simply waste time meaning your Isk Per Hour will go down with each OTA you do.

The Sansha tower rep's the NPC fleet by Default, So why have the Mara's, I can understand for the NMC because that site has no Logistics for the NPC fleet, The main problem is the OTA Wall people are starting to hit, You need to make it more apealing to more Pilots within the Incursion community's, At this current time, Shiny fleet's can hack them or community's like ISN have no problem with them, But for the majority people are avoiding them.

NCO - I am not going to comment on the NCO, Due to i have not even touched them and they are the site's for our beloved Armor fleet's, Until i do them this section will remain with no feedback.


I am glad that CCP has got in contact with the Major community's/FC's in the Incursion World, Inferno is starting to improve, We are all glad that you are looking into all the Feedback that is being said in this thread, Let's continue on focusing on the community with the Inferno patch!


Regards ~ Herr Ronin

I like all the VG changes!

As a casual incursion runner, its allowed me to actually run them with my friends. We fly non-shiny ships in a fleet of 6. We couldnt compete before, we didnt do nearly enough damage. Now there are sites available to run. We dont care so much about the money, The focus and coordination/teamwork it takes to do the sites is a lot of fun. The randomized spawns have definitly livend it up a bit =)

I'm digging back through the recent last official thread on this and will edit/post in some choice summaries asap.

I will ask this though, what's CCP's position on a mechanic limiting the isk/lp reward Concord will give a single character per day?
It seems having a limit might well tackle several (previous) problems at once.

• Sub-par fits & newer low SP players had to wait hours to get a spot in fleets when they were popular.
• Dedicated channels with min-maxed blitz fits could equally have few people running for many hours making that often-quoted theoretical too-damn-high isk/hour.
• People can often only play for a few hours a day at most, yet many were upset about the theoretical isk rate when not accounting for waiting for a place in fleet & moving around all of highsec to get to incursions.
(Nullsec and w-space loot logistics are easier, see previous thread/learn basic jumpdrive & static cycling mechanics)

By saying Corcord will only give a player x many isk/lp/site payout per 24hours from Incursions, you'd make people stop at their fair share from the watering hole. They could make more by running multiple accounts, but that would probably be far less common when they have the alternatives of having a char in w-space/nullsec/doing lvl4s 23.5/7.

You'll never get away from min-maxers, you certainly need to address site-specific issues such as Scout sites, Command Ship restrictions, particular alpha threats, RR range & amounts etc, but in general if incursions were put back to how they were or even improved, having a specific isk-throttling mechanic might be deserved for highsec at least.

We want to avoid making a knee jerk panic decision.. so we are reading all the feedback before making a change. We are only talking short term changes, we will consider long-term redesigns after the Summer.

Probably rr domis or something like tha



Discussion?

I saw no discussion.



Better than nothing i guess.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1258191#post1258191

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1257089#post1257089

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1257525#post1257525

OK quoting those here results in walls of text, but they each cover the key points are many seem to agree.

After Inferno you are going to be swamped with Crimewatch problems if the Burn Jita fiasco's are any indicator.
Looks like you'll be doing a post mortum on more then one community:
I don't think you'll be getting any more feedback from the lo/NULL sec incursion comunitites they appear to have already died.
I don't recall much more then a speck of blue in any lo/NULL SEC bar in the Journal. Has a single NULL SEC Incursion MOM site been completed? Be interesting to see what happens when an Incursion messes with an alliances bridges to see i they can bring it down quickly.

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The wall of OTA's stacking up of course is the main problem of Vanguards. I've seen many suggestions on how to fix that but don't know if any will work. Sounds like alot of testing should be done which I doubt you have the time for now.

My main question for you is: WAS THE RED INFLUENCE BAR CHANGED? Seems either it was or we are seeing alot less people to bring down the influence. Strange I don't recall the bar being so difficult to bring down at this time last year.

I have already been in talks with Ronin and Serge and quite a few other people within the community - it's been a really good learning experience for me :)

Please contact "Cozmic Cowboy" he's the leader of the loose Armor Community known as The Ditanian Fleet you seem to be only contacting the shield fleets. "Vily " used to be one of the Goons running the lo/NULL SEC incursions ( last I heard though Villy was put in charge of a bunch of fleets by Mittani so I sorta doubt he's the one still running it but can probably point you in the right direction) I think I may know 1 or 2 of the lo sec Incursion runners but they tend to keep quiet about it so I won't drop any names there.

Nation Mining Colony. We couldnt handle the random triggers on the others. Now thats gone, we'll give them a shot =)

Edit: Maybe I've been misunderstanding Shiny? We fly 2 guardians, an absoultion, and a myrm. A Damnation & a hauler on the other side of the gate giving bonuses and waiting to haul the ore. They are meta4/T2 fit with the exception of some faction web/damage/AB mods on the Absolution. (Republic Fleet ABs are magical =D)