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Enough about the Tengu. What about the Loki?
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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-05-08 12:42:04 UTC
The positive thing I see about the Typhoon is this:

I have not specialized in a weapon system. I have average Drone, Projectile Turret and Missiles skills because I'm not sure which path to take yet. As opposed to if I were to be dead-set on flying a Drake in which case I would probably just get Missile skills up.

So with a little work I can go from Average to Decent in the three weapon systems. And it seems that's what the Typhoon is about, no?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#22 - 2012-05-08 12:46:55 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
The positive thing I see about the Typhoon is this:

I have not specialized in a weapon system. I have average Drone, Projectile Turret and Missiles skills because I'm not sure which path to take yet. As opposed to if I were to be dead-set on flying a Drake in which case I would probably just get Missile skills up.

So with a little work I can go from Average to Decent in the three weapon systems. And it seems that's what the Typhoon is about, no?

Yes, but the thing is, if you chose any other BS you can be proficient in it in less time, while to be equally proficient in the phoon you need at least 2 times as much time (since drones are needed anyway in any BS so you MUST train them)

And you will be flying sub par in performance meanwhile. But as i said before, flying subpar doesn't mean you can't have fun with it. And I agree, the phoon is the best looking BS in the minmatar line. Well, considering that i have to chose one... i don't like rusted metal and cardbox ships. :D
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-05-08 12:54:14 UTC
Hehehe. It is the most Amarr-like of the Minmatar ships in the sense that it just screams "Armor tank!" due to its.... girth.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#24 - 2012-05-08 13:31:00 UTC
Loki isn't worth the money.

Proteus has battleship DPS and can pump out 400+ dps with cov-ops fitting
Tengu is the tengu
Legion can tank like a BS and can neut like a curse.

Loki is a vagabond with slightly higher dps, a half assed web bonus and is MUCH slower. It's tank is ok, but not amazing.

Honestly the loki is just an underwheling ship all-round. It does a similar job to other T2 cruisers for minmatar without really shining at 1 role enough to be worth the money.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#25 - 2012-05-08 13:56:51 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Thing is that the Battleship I want is the Typhoon which is supposedly very skill demanding, leaving little time to train for the Loki, I suppose.


Depends on how you fit the phoon. People quoting that it is "skill intensive" are assuming the usage of two types of weapons to achieve max dps. In reality these gank fits are not as good as other bs gank fits and the phoon truly shines when using only 1 weapon type and filling the rest of the highs with nuets. 1 weapon type with nuets is not skill intensive compared to other ships.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#26 - 2012-05-08 14:13:34 UTC
The phoon is probably the most overrated BS in the game, aside from solo / small gang its really a bit meh. It had high on paper DPS but torps struggle to apply that ingame, its range is very limited and it has less buffer than its rivals (mega, baddo etc..) Don't focus too much on one ship.

Baddon is a much better neuting platform generally, and having a dedicated neuting ship makes better use of talismans.

As for the loki, it always does fairly 'meh' dps so I favour it in the heavy fleet tackle role, projecting 2 webs out to about 50-60km, I dont see the appeal of shield fits myself, seems like there are plenty of better options out there.

Kalli Brixzat
#27 - 2012-05-08 15:44:02 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
So I hear alot about the Tengu. My Cruiser skills (for Minmatar) are very decent as I've flown my Rupture quite a lot. The Loki seems cool with all the interchangable subsystems and all. But I rarely read about it, only the Tengu... why is that?


Is it horrible? Underrated?


Training into a Loki as we speak. I'm Caldari, so this endeavor has been fairly painful because I came in with very little gunnery/projectile training. From what I've seen and read, the Loki brings solid punch with an assload of utility. Webs give you a purpose in incursions (fleet assist or insta-popping web/scram frigates). Versatility in terms of tank and the ability to switch between AC and Arty makes the Loki an excellent choice no matter the situation. Aside from the fact that it's kinda ugly no matter what subs you use, the Loki jumped off the page as my favorite T3 CR.
Mysteriax
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-05-08 16:21:46 UTC
Kalli Brixzat wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
So I hear alot about the Tengu. My Cruiser skills (for Minmatar) are very decent as I've flown my Rupture quite a lot. The Loki seems cool with all the interchangable subsystems and all. But I rarely read about it, only the Tengu... why is that?


Is it horrible? Underrated?


Training into a Loki as we speak. I'm Caldari, so this endeavor has been fairly painful because I came in with very little gunnery/projectile training. From what I've seen and read, the Loki brings solid punch with an assload of utility. Webs give you a purpose in incursions (fleet assist or insta-popping web/scram frigates). Versatility in terms of tank and the ability to switch between AC and Arty makes the Loki an excellent choice no matter the situation. Aside from the fact that it's kinda ugly no matter what subs you use, the Loki jumped off the page as my favorite T3 CR.


Problems with the loki is its terrible DPS and terrible Range.
For PVE besides incursions its just horrible.

However in PVP they are very good.
Although not as damage dealer but it can be a good heavy tackler or solo ship.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#29 - 2012-05-08 18:11:20 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Thing is that the Battleship I want is the Typhoon which is supposedly very skill demanding, leaving little time to train for the Loki, I suppose.


Generally speaking I'd flesh out your T1 lineup as far as you want it to go before you start messing with t2/t3 boats. I'd only advise going for t3 before getting access to BSes if you don't want to fly BSes _at all_. Which, to be fair, is probably a sign of good taste-- they're slow, clumsy, and kinda boring.

(Zoom zoom. Pew pew.)

Seriously, though, go ahead and unlock all your BS stuff first to 2 or 3 (large guns, the ship skill, and so on) and fly one around to see if you like it or if it seems like grinding. Then you'll have all the data you need to decide what you want to go for first. It's not like it's far out of your way, if you have the cruiser skill and t2 medium guns for a t3 ship then you have the prereqs for all the BS skills.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-05-08 19:46:40 UTC
Gangs and fleets love the loki, it makes a great tackle ship! I've seen them catch 100mn tengus.

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TomyLobo
U2EZ
#31 - 2012-05-08 23:21:26 UTC
The loki is more or less a support ship that is very well rounded. It excels more at this role than any other role. Damage projection isn't something to right home about, unless you plan on using artillery. I wouldn't say it's the best T3 or second best but it does get used fairly well to be regarded as decent. In regards to a decent ship for running missions, I'll vote for the maelstrom as your best choice. The tempest, typhoon and loki lack the tank/dps balance needed to burn through missions as quickly as possible.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-05-08 23:52:38 UTC
I wonder why nobody mentioned the Machariel................
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-05-09 06:49:04 UTC
TomyLobo wrote:
The loki is more or less a support ship that is very well rounded. It excels more at this role than any other role. Damage projection isn't something to right home about, unless you plan on using artillery. I wouldn't say it's the best T3 or second best but it does get used fairly well to be regarded as decent. In regards to a decent ship for running missions, I'll vote for the maelstrom as your best choice. The tempest, typhoon and loki lack the tank/dps balance needed to burn through missions as quickly as possible.


I'm no min/max-type of player. As long as I am able to go through the missions I am happy. If I get to do it in a ship I like, rather than one I picked because "it is the best", I am even happier still.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#34 - 2012-05-09 07:09:44 UTC
Baljos Arnjak wrote:
@ OP - The reason you hear about the Tengu a lot is because it's a PVE monster. Speed, damage projection, low sig radius, and tank all rolled into one. Well fit and skilled, you can get battleship level dps @ more than 100km. The problem with the Loki as a PVE platform is range, meaning you have to chase down your targets which increases your mission completion time and decreases your isk/hr.


how about proteus ? nobody is talking about him

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Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-05-09 09:53:54 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
TomyLobo wrote:
The loki is more or less a support ship that is very well rounded. It excels more at this role than any other role. Damage projection isn't something to right home about, unless you plan on using artillery. I wouldn't say it's the best T3 or second best but it does get used fairly well to be regarded as decent. In regards to a decent ship for running missions, I'll vote for the maelstrom as your best choice. The tempest, typhoon and loki lack the tank/dps balance needed to burn through missions as quickly as possible.


I'm no min/max-type of player. As long as I am able to go through the missions I am happy. If I get to do it in a ship I like, rather than one I picked because "it is the best", I am even happier still.


If you can throw down over 1 billion in ISK, then go for the Loki. If not, train to excel in the Maelstrom for L4 missions. Also don't just strive to merely complete the mission. Strive to finish them as quick as possible. Its all about earning ISK per hour.
Personally, I never fly a ship without a t2 fit and at least lvl 4 in that ship skill. Even for PVE.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-05-09 14:03:21 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
So I hear alot about the Tengu. My Cruiser skills (for Minmatar) are very decent as I've flown my Rupture quite a lot. The Loki seems cool with all the interchangable subsystems and all. But I rarely read about it, only the Tengu... why is that?


Is it horrible? Underrated?


Underrated

Loki is the only ship I know that can do rating at a serious rate, kill 1 or 2 enemies messing with and spank Tengus ass provided the pilot knows what he's doing and all this is possible with a single fit.

Loki is an awesome T3, my favourite one after Tengu.
If there's something Tengu has over Loki is this idiot ability to project dmg at distances of snipe, and what a hell of a dmg.
The problem not being the ship it self but the ammo it uses, there's not much you can do about it. I'd take all day long my Tengu for rating and gtfo if someone shows up on gridd, but I'll be back with my Loki, no doubt about it.

I'm not saying Tengu can't do it, because of course it can but it's far too easy despite needing some faction lovin. I'd just like to hit that easy/fast with a 650's Loki fit or a 250's Proteus fit.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-05-10 16:13:41 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
TomyLobo wrote:
The loki is more or less a support ship that is very well rounded. It excels more at this role than any other role. Damage projection isn't something to right home about, unless you plan on using artillery. I wouldn't say it's the best T3 or second best but it does get used fairly well to be regarded as decent. In regards to a decent ship for running missions, I'll vote for the maelstrom as your best choice. The tempest, typhoon and loki lack the tank/dps balance needed to burn through missions as quickly as possible.


I'm no min/max-type of player. As long as I am able to go through the missions I am happy. If I get to do it in a ship I like, rather than one I picked because "it is the best", I am even happier still.



The issue with the phoon is the jack of all trades lay out.

In PvP you fly it like a really friggin big Hurricane with a lot of heavy neuts, Its fine for that. In PvE you need T2 in torps,heavyr turrets, and heavy drones, because its tank is medicore so you pretty much have to DPS tank.

Not to mention it doesn't have the mid slots to shield tank in PvE, so you are stuck armor tanking which eats most of your lows, that is why you have to choose torps or turrets.
Death Toll007
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-05-10 17:30:15 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
So I hear alot about the Tengu. My Cruiser skills (for Minmatar) are very decent as I've flown my Rupture quite a lot. The Loki seems cool with all the interchangable subsystems and all. But I rarely read about it, only the Tengu... why is that?


Is it horrible? Underrated?


Underrated

Loki is the only ship I know that can do rating at a serious rate, kill 1 or 2 enemies messing with and spank Tengus ass provided the pilot knows what he's doing and all this is possible with a single fit.

Loki is an awesome T3, my favourite one after Tengu.
If there's something Tengu has over Loki is this idiot ability to project dmg at distances of snipe, and what a hell of a dmg.
The problem not being the ship it self but the ammo it uses, there's not much you can do about it. I'd take all day long my Tengu for rating and gtfo if someone shows up on gridd, but I'll be back with my Loki, no doubt about it.

I'm not saying Tengu can't do it, because of course it can but it's far too easy despite needing some faction lovin. I'd just like to hit that easy/fast with a 650's Loki fit or a 250's Proteus fit.


Share loki fit.

-DT
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