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Am I allowed to use my high-sec dread to mine?
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Cleft Assbottom
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-09 06:05:59 UTC
I know the veldnaught mines from time to time. Am i allowed to as well?
Momoyo
Rivinshield Trading Inc.
#2 - 2012-05-09 06:12:09 UTC
Dont see why not as long as you follow CCPs rules for high sec caps
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-09 06:15:12 UTC
Cleft Assbottom
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-05-09 06:15:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Cleft Assbottom
Momoyo wrote:
Dont see why not as long as you follow CCPs rules for high sec caps

Link to said rules?

edit: ah i see
Geil Ding
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-09 06:18:22 UTC
Yes you can but you are not allowed to fit any weapons or use the capital in any fights. When your corp is at war you need to dock up and can only undock when the war is over.
Cleft Assbottom
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-05-09 06:19:00 UTC
I'm wondering if this item applies to belt rats:

1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.
Cleft Assbottom
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-05-09 06:19:45 UTC
Lol these rules are purposefully vague.

This one could easily be "interpreted" to apply to mining:

3. You may not use your capital ship’s attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-05-09 06:22:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Cebraio
Yes, they are vague, but when they apply to Chribba's Hi-Sec mining, they should for you too.

Edit: Do you really have to shoot belt rats in that thing in Hi-Sec? Just tank them.

Also: "Please note: If you are unsure about the legality of what you plan to do, petition before doing it. It will save you hassle afterwards."
Cleft Assbottom
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-05-09 06:22:46 UTC
Also, i wonder how easy and likely it is to suicide gank a tanked revelation mining in a belt.
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-05-09 06:23:50 UTC
A Dread gives no bonuses, and as such no advantage. You can mine ore just as effectively with a Rokh as with it..

As for rats.. I don't think you'll need to worry about those in your dread lol.
Cleft Assbottom
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-05-09 06:25:18 UTC
Sentinel Smith wrote:
As for rats.. I don't think you'll need to worry about those in your dread lol.

I know i don't need to worry about the rats, but i need to worry about whether or not i'm allowed to shoot the rats.
Janet Patton
Brony Express
#12 - 2012-05-09 06:46:41 UTC
Cleft Assbottom wrote:
Sentinel Smith wrote:
As for rats.. I don't think you'll need to worry about those in your dread lol.

I know i don't need to worry about the rats, but i need to worry about whether or not i'm allowed to shoot the rats.


I don't think you should even have any weapons equipped on your ship. That's a easy way to get it sent to null sec.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#13 - 2012-05-09 06:48:31 UTC
Mining is fine, what's more curious though (for me) is that someone suddenly asking this, sounds like you just got the ship, in which case it sounds like either a GM reimbursed it wrong just now - in which case it is not a legal ship - or you bought it from someone - in which case too it's not legal since you're not allowed to buy/sell capitals in high-sec.

But as far as the mining part goes, it's no problem, and no problem tanking the belt rats either.

/c

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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-09 06:51:09 UTC
"Following is a list of activities that are widely regarded as fair use of these ships. This may change, so do not rely solely on this information here."

1. Showing off
2. Mining

Number one sounds like something I would do, lol.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#15 - 2012-05-09 06:51:47 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Mining is fine, what's more curious though (for me) is that someone suddenly asking this, sounds like you just got the ship, in which case it sounds like either a GM reimbursed it wrong just now - in which case it is not a legal ship - or you bought it from someone - in which case too it's not legal since you're not allowed to buy/sell capitals in high-sec.

But as far as the mining part goes, it's no problem, and no problem tanking the belt rats either.

/c

So basically, if I understand you right, one is allowed to mine and tank in a ship which one cannot possibly have gotten legally?

This is very interesting indeed. Special rules, it seems, for miners?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Aline Kia
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-05-09 07:02:18 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Mining is fine, what's more curious though (for me) is that someone suddenly asking this, sounds like you just got the ship, in which case it sounds like either a GM reimbursed it wrong just now - in which case it is not a legal ship - or you bought it from someone - in which case too it's not legal since you're not allowed to buy/sell capitals in high-sec.

But as far as the mining part goes, it's no problem, and no problem tanking the belt rats either.

/c

So basically, if I understand you right, one is allowed to mine and tank in a ship which one cannot possibly have gotten legally?

This is very interesting indeed. Special rules, it seems, for miners?



Not completely accurate. It is not legal to aquire a capital in hisec "NOW"... So if the OP bought it or got reimbursed it is an illegal hisec capital.

When caps were first introduced eons ago it was possible build them in hisec which was stopped by CCP once they realised their oversight. The odd hisec cap such as Chribba's Veldbaught are allowed to remain as they were built before the fix and are ye olde players legacy assets.

So the fact someone is asking about what the rules are today suggests either the OP acquired by NOW illegal means or took a VERY VERY long break from game ^^
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#17 - 2012-05-09 07:03:57 UTC
Aline Kia wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Mining is fine, what's more curious though (for me) is that someone suddenly asking this, sounds like you just got the ship, in which case it sounds like either a GM reimbursed it wrong just now - in which case it is not a legal ship - or you bought it from someone - in which case too it's not legal since you're not allowed to buy/sell capitals in high-sec.

But as far as the mining part goes, it's no problem, and no problem tanking the belt rats either.

/c

So basically, if I understand you right, one is allowed to mine and tank in a ship which one cannot possibly have gotten legally?

This is very interesting indeed. Special rules, it seems, for miners?



Not completely accurate. It is not legal to aquire a capital in hisec "NOW"... So if the OP bought it or got reimbursed it is an illegal hisec capital.

When caps were first introduced eons ago it was possible build them in hisec which was stopped by CCP once they realised their oversight. The odd hisec cap such as Chribba's Veldbaught are allowed to remain as they were built before the fix and are ye olde players legacy assets.

So the fact someone is asking about what the rules are today suggests either the OP acquired by NOW illegal means or took a VERY VERY long break from game ^^

Here's hoping GM's know the difference then, I guess?

It really sounds like a lot of special treatment to me, though. Double-standards are so very messy.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-05-09 07:08:16 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Aline Kia wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Mining is fine, what's more curious though (for me) is that someone suddenly asking this, sounds like you just got the ship, in which case it sounds like either a GM reimbursed it wrong just now - in which case it is not a legal ship - or you bought it from someone - in which case too it's not legal since you're not allowed to buy/sell capitals in high-sec.

But as far as the mining part goes, it's no problem, and no problem tanking the belt rats either.

/c

So basically, if I understand you right, one is allowed to mine and tank in a ship which one cannot possibly have gotten legally?

This is very interesting indeed. Special rules, it seems, for miners?



Not completely accurate. It is not legal to aquire a capital in hisec "NOW"... So if the OP bought it or got reimbursed it is an illegal hisec capital.

When caps were first introduced eons ago it was possible build them in hisec which was stopped by CCP once they realised their oversight. The odd hisec cap such as Chribba's Veldbaught are allowed to remain as they were built before the fix and are ye olde players legacy assets.

So the fact someone is asking about what the rules are today suggests either the OP acquired by NOW illegal means or took a VERY VERY long break from game ^^

Here's hoping GM's know the difference then, I guess?

It really sounds like a lot of special treatment to me, though. Double-standards are so very messy.


u be trollin?

If anyone else has one of those old-timey Captitals they would also be allowed to do what the Veldnaught does.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#19 - 2012-05-09 07:09:52 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

It really sounds like a lot of special treatment to me, though. Double-standards are so very messy.


Don't cry. You can do more than just mine with yours in null sec.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#20 - 2012-05-09 07:09:58 UTC
Even the illegal ship is allowed to be used in the same way as the others. However it is stated that acquiring one in high-sec now - after the rules came in place is an exploit and should be reported to GMs.

So the use of it is not a problem - the obtaining of it may be. So you'd not get punished for using it, you'd get punished for obtaining it - if the ship was obtained illegally.

That was my only reflection, since the rules have been in place for a VERY long time now, someone asking about what they can/cannot do made me wonder if someone obtained the ship illegally.

Of course I am not in any way implying that OP has the ship or have gotten one in an illegal way, for all I know it may be a general question about the rules without any links to it actually being done.

/c

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