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The iteron is a cargo ship...the exhumer is a mining barge (tech2)

What the hell is the problem again?

And iteron only has 1 high slot...if at all.

And I forgot to mention...your asking for an Orca with Mining Lasers..ain't gonna happen.

I have to say, I usually agree with Drake. But in this instance, I think he's kind of missing the point.

To clarify again, I do not support any of the changes in the OP. But I do support the cause.

I propose the OPer close this thread and re-open a new proposal with a looser theme. If you can let CCP know that something needs changing they will often come up with the best design for change, or sometimes the players can.



Plex also costs more than game time. I think perhaps you didn't think about that.

I subscribed another account to do it. SA forums has at least 15-20 people subscribing off the back of burn Jita and wanting in on Hulkageddon. Two of my friends have re-subbed in the last 5 weeks.

Want an anecdotal evidence face off?

I've been petitioning CCP to add some form of directional scan module to ships for a while, such that players can use it to see what is in space and possibly headed their way.

This would be great, as the miner could see the ships before they land and be in warp before they even load grid.

But, they keep telling me it's already in the game.

"Impossible!" I say, "Surely if this were in the game people would be using it and not asking for massive upheavals in the game!"

Worthy point. Plexed accounts earn CCP about 25% more than directly purchased accounts. Plex can also be destroyed in game (and happens with stunning regularity at camped Hi-Sec choke points http://y0ink.us/killboard/?a=system_detail&sys_id=30002765). All in all a clever approach by CCP, “Grind free game time if you want. Do something dangerous and possibly lose it. Make us more money in the process. Win/Win!!!”

I’m often at a loss just how much detail to put in a particular post before the TL:DRs come out. Nonetheless, lacking sales/use data it’s difficult to make claims that “volatile” casual/noob players buy a lot of plex compared to CCP's other income streams so CCP should cater more to that group.

What stuns and brings the mock out in me is the presumption by some players that their preferred play style is/could be/must be the big money maker for CCP. It’s especially stunning when that preferred play style is vastly different from the dark and dangerous game CCP has been selling all along.

With respect,
To you at least,
DireNecessity

This is why I play eve. Moar tears. I love it. CCP LOOOOOOVVVEEEDDD the attention burn Jita ad hulkageddon got. I doubt you'll see write-ups on mmorpg news websites about a universe wide mining op or mission op. So what if your friends or you put off buying plexes for isk? There are loads of pvpers who buy plexes to fund their terrible habit. If everyone stops buying plex prices are just going to go up and people WILL start buying again. Human beings are greedy. You want to be safe go play another MMORPG or something. There are many out there where you don't have to fight to change something that is incredibly unbalanced towards nullseccers. Sure there are loads more of people in highsec but have you asked yourself how many of them have a character in lowsec or null?

Ships do have roles you know. You don't see a combat ship being able to outmine a mining barge right? Because of that you won't see a mining ships out dpsing a combat ship.

You want to mine afk, be prepared to lose your ship. Otherwise align to a safe spot or something when mining and prepare to hit warp whenever someone comes in. Carebearing in nullsec isn't meant to be as profitable as low or null.

The battleship I referred to costs 120 million ISK, and gets a decent chunk of that back if lost.
A hulk costs 300 million ISK and gets less than what it costs to buy a cruiser back if lost.
Comparing size is irrelevant, you need to look at value. Bottom line, most of the mining ships are complete crap, but CCP has not fixed them: they made more and more shiny **** battleship-guns-on-cruisers type ships, which is very much in keeping with the World of Warcraft design philosophy that when you can't think of anything genuine to add to the game, just add new armour and weapons with higher numbers and call it content.



That's the point, dumb ass. Removing suicide ganking in highsec *is* what is next. Bored vets kicking newbies around hurts CCPs bottom line, guess what, they want all the DUST kiddies to come play, and stay. The time to think about how to protect those players with appropriate balance is right now: because where things stand, I can see concord appearing (but not firing) instantly when a blue player is locked, rather than after a blue player is fired on. Or a simple pop-up "you cannot attack that target".

Don't like my ideas? Give up better ones. Because the simplest is to make non-consentual pvp in 1.0 to 0.8 systems simply not possible. That's not what I am advocating for, but as correctly posted by Shah, it is the natural endpoint of the repeated changes to Concord, which have failed to achieve thier purpose.

What is there to fix? A mining barge mines. That is what it is designed to do. It's not a combat ship. It is not designed to kill or defend itself effectively.
The same argument can be made in reverse. A Thorax is a combat ship. It is designed to kill other ships. It is not designed to mine or haul stuff effectively.

And "cost" is not a reliable measurement of power. Just because something costs a lot of ISK it doesn't necessarily mean it is "better."
Example 1: there are quite a few officer-grade mods that cost BILLIONS of ISK... yet are no better stat-wise than some deadspace/X-type mods that are worth a couple hundred million.

Example 2: I am flying around in my sniper Tornado worth about 100+ mil. I get tackled by a Velator worth... well... almost nothing (you get it for free at stations you have no ships in). I will die against this noob-ship because my rather large Teir 3 battlecruiser is not designed to kill it at close range.

Example 3: A fully-fit ratting carrier is worth about 1.5 to 1.6 billion ISK. It is very possible for 15 Stealth Bombers, each worth 20-25 mil ISK apiece, to gank said carrier in about a minute.

If I understand you correctly... example 1 is "broken" because something is expensive for "no reason." And example 2 and 3 should not happen because the more expensive ship was taken down by ships worth mere pennies to it. Honestly... I find these as some of the greatest perks of the game! Cost and size are not reliable metrics of power and ability!



And yet EVE has been more or less growing consistently for the last 9 years with these mechanics in place. Slowly. But consistently.

Also... how do you define "newbies." Because to me... Hulk pilots are not newbies. It takes 2 to 3 months to get into one and by that time you should be well versed in quite a few of the mechanics that govern EVE.


You are aware that the DUST players you are opposing during a match can shoot at you using a giant cannon of death and destruction... right? The same thing we can do to them. Balance.


So how are you supposed to engage a neutral in a NPC corp that is supporting your enemy's war effort against your corp?


And what purpose is that? Protect? You are aware that since it was buffed and buffed again 3 or 4 years ago CONCORD hasn't really changed at all? And there have been no hints or gestures from CCP that CONCORD is going to be buffed again (at least, not anytime soon).
Based on this circumstantial evidence, it's a fair guess that CCP is... more or less... happy with CONCORD as they are now. Sure, they need some tweaks every so often as there will always be a loophole that no one thought of before... but non-consensual PvP has always been one of the cornerstones of EVE's ethos and remains, to this day, one of the things that prevents true "safety" in EVE (which is a good thing).

Plus... the tools that people can use to try and kill you are also at your disposal and can be used to avoid getting killed.

EVE is an eternal game of "cat and mouse" and/or "Spy vs. Spy." It is the reason many of us came here. It is the reason many of us stay. And I hope is stays this way for a long time to come. Otherwise EVE won't be "special."

You don't think do you. There are people who play this game for fun. People who unsub because of the buffs CCP gives to highseccers. CCP makes a certain area pvp-free its probably going to kill a few accounts as well. Sand box game thats just like real life. You don't see a gun-free zone. You can bring a gun into a shopping mall and start shooting at people. You just get blown up by police or something after. Same thing in eve.