Science & Industry

For the third time interceptors and yes you forgot to mention the special events where CCP gave out T2BPO's ie the mining ones.

LOL, you know what, I don't care how T2 BPOs were introduced, and as you don't answer me, I repeat : I bought them all , CCP did not give me any

You still have no proof and you are still accusing CCP and/or its employees to be fundamentally dishonest. That is insulting. I would not let in my house someone's insulting me, but I'm not CCP

There were not ticket at the T2 bpo lottery, it was random system, you ignorant.

And about the T2 miner bpos, who cares ? CCP is still distributing high-value prizes each year with no problem for everyone (Alliance Tournament)

I would like to use your own T2 shuttle example to show you why you are mistaken. You have completely forgotten about supply and demand.


Given: it costs the BPO owner 2k isk to manufacture each shuttle from a researched BPO.
Given: it costs the inventor 3k isk to invent and manufacture from a BPC.

To discuss the supply side, we need some more assumptions. How about these:
* There exists 20 BPOs for this T2 shuttle in the game.
* It takes 1 day to build this shuttle from a researched BPO.
* It takes 1.5 days to build this shuttle from an invented BPC.
* There are thousands of inventors in the game who have the skills to invent and build shuttles, should they choose.


Math below:
One BPO can build 30 shuttles per month.

If all 20 BPOs are fully utilized, 600 shuttles can enter the game from BPOs per month. (20 BPOs * 30) = 600

An inventor with 10 manufacturing lines can manufacture 200 shuttles per month. (10 lines * 30 days / 1.5 days per unit) = 200


So now we must consider the demand side.
The game "consumes" a certain number of each item per month. They could be blown up. They could be stuck it in someone's hangar gathering dust. Either way, this is the demand for the item. Demand for items in this game are generally un-elastic. Changing the price slightly will not significantly change the demand. Demand is mainly changed by meta-game effects. (When something gets buffed, demand will go up. When something gets nerfed, demand will go down. When an alliance decides they want to change their fleets from Drakes to Maelstroms, the demand for Heavy Missile Launcher IIs goes down while the demand for 1400mm Artillery IIs goes up.)


Imagine this T2 shuttle has low demand. It is not a very good item. Only 500 are consumed gamewide per month. 600 can enter the game per month from BPOs. After a couple of months, there will be a glut of these shuttles on the market. The different BPO owners will be 1 isking each other to try to get their shuttles sold. The price on the market goes down until it is barely over 2000 isk each. When the price gets this low, some of the BPO owners decide it is not worth the effort to manufacture and play 1 isk games, so they quit building. An equilibrium price will be reached, perhaps around 2200 isk. No inventors will touch this item, because they cannot make a profit. Some of the BPO owners are getting a small profit. Some of the BPO owners have given up and are getting no profit.


Alternatively, imagine this T2 shuttle has high demand, and 2000 are consumed per month. Only 600 can enter the game through BPOs. If there were no invention, then after a few months there would be no more shuttles left on the market. The BPO owners could charge whatever they wanted. This is what happened to the T2 Capacitor Rechargers in 2005. They only cost ~200k to build, but the BPO owners could charge 20M isk each, and laugh all the way to the bank. At about the 20M isk range, consumers started deciding, "Screw that. I'll use a cheaper T1 Cap Rechargers and accept the lesser performance."


Then invention was introduced. Inventors can literally build any T2 item in the game, and are free to switch from one item to the next to chase higher profits. Since BPOs cannot meet the demand for this shuttle, then the price will rise. When the price rises to a certain point, inventors will get involved and fill the unmet demand. Different inventors start 1 isking each other to get their stock sold first. BPO owners sell at the same price as the inventors. (Why would they accept smaller profits than necessary?) The equilibrium price for the shuttles will be around 3600 isk. This is enough profit for inventors to be interested. If too many inventors start building them, then the price will drop. When the profits are too low, inventors will choose a different item, supply drops, and prices rise again. At equilibrium, inventors will be producing approximately 1400 shuttles per month, exactly enough to fill the unmet demand.


One inventor can build 200 shuttles per month at a cost of 3000 isk each. They are sold for 3600 isk each. Total profit for this month = 120,000 isk. (200*600)

One BPO can build 30 shuttles per month at a cost of 2000 isk each. They are sold for 3600 isk each. Total profit per month for this BPO is 48,000 isk. (30*1600)

Of course, this BPO owner has 9 more manufacturing lines he can use. Suppose he is also inventing shuttles. He can make 180 through invention and 30 from the BPO. Total profit per month is 156,000 isk. (180*600 + 30*1600)

Is the difference really so huge as to be considered broken? Of course the T2 BPO owner should make more, they paid for it by buying (or not selling) their BPO.

While the T2 BPO owners can make somewhat more than inventors ON A HIGH DEMAND ITEM, they can never push inventors out of the market.

On a low demand item, even T2 BPO owners are not guaranteed any profit at all.

Why is it that you don't understand that saying the same incorrect things repeatedly doesn't magically make them true?

Feel free to show some math on how interceptors would become an attractive choice for invention. I have provided math on why they would not. Until you can do the same, this is just your typical make-****-up-as-you go modus operandi.

Fun fact: At present Jita prices you can't even build a Crusader profitably using a BPO.

You asked for numbers, here they are.

I did my homework and updated my spreadsheet database (which was pre Dominion) and prices from EVE-Central (Jita)

This is what is the rank list for TODAY of what is profitable to invent

What to invent - ships

Invention is profitable no need to accuse T2 bpos to kill the market.

Just not be dumb and invent wisely