EVE General Discussion

Yes.

Although my favourite is more of a “size multiplier difference“ than just a straight up numerical difference.

abs( ln( attacker / defender ) / ln( base multiplier ) ) × difference cost + base cost.

in other words, with a base multiplier of 2, if you attack a corp that is 2 times bigger or smaller, you pay (say) 50M for the difference and 50M in base cost. Attack a target that's 4 times bigger or smaller, you pay 100M for the difference and 50M base cost. Attack a target that's the exact same size, and you just pay the base cost.

If Sunshine and Lollipops wardecs the Goons (or vice versa), the cost will be 610M, because they're about 2¹¹ times larger than we are. However, if some random alliance of 3500:ish members decs the goons, the cost will be back to just 100M.

This gives you a lot of variables to modify to get the right effect: how cheap should any war be? How much do you have to pay for imbalanced sizes? What counts as an “imbalanced size”? It's that last part that really makes the thing interesting.

Say that the above numbers still made it too easy to attack an over/undersized target, but also made it too costly to attack a “fair” target, let's switch the numbers around — the base multiplier is 1.25 (the cost increases for every 25% larger or smaller the target is); the difference cost is 100M; the base cost is 5M. Now, it would cost me 3.3bn a week to go after the goons, but for the aforementioned random alliance, it would only cost 315M/week (and likewise, it would cost the four of us in SLOPS 626M to go after some poor little one-man corp).

For as many whiners littering these forums, there are an equal number of CCP ass kissers praising every change deemed for good (and never bad) as the best online gaming has to offer.

For the former, it is best to keep them simply as "whiners". But for the latter, back in my old EverQuest days, they were labeled as VAKs (Verant Ass Kissers) and then later SAKs (Sony Ass Kissers). Perhaps they'll subtly adopt the title as CAKs (CCP Ass Kissers), though they will not admit to it.

I hear Skylander is pretty stable to, sounds like you'd love it. My 7yr old does.

Odd, I see people discussing their mix of likes and dislikes about new proposals, with the wiser crowd noting that things are incomplete to test and could easily change based on feed back.

It's a perception thing I guess.

Please people, you're taking someone who ends all his posts with "lol" seriously? (or, actually, were - luckyly no one's doing that by page 3!)
Let the idiots lay in the own idiocy.
Missiles are a feature enough, TBH. Also seems we're getting FW iteration, wardec iteration, probably the start of tiericide, inventory n' stuff.
We all asked for this, and the community is mostly happy with this. Won't be Incursion-like amount of content, but who cares? Content is player created.

Are they not doing the first few frigs that were being discussed in F&I?

Well, if people like you would just stop being so bloody open-minded and conveniently pigeon-hole yourself under "fanboi" or "hater", things would be so much easier.

eve vs wot is a fuckin nissan vs a toyota... SAME ****

Fact stands the wardec system is still broken
Crime watch removed trying to help said corps...
I want the OLDDDD UI back...
took how many years to fix it?


Sorry you guys are just butt hurt I can grab a game that is eve...
Battle button is highsec/low

Clan wars = null...

You noobs know you can take land in WoT yes?

lol is because you guys make me laugh so much

My gold ammo... As we showed CCP is just slow.

They got people paying a sub + nex store RL money...

Will just take time for the gold ammo in eve...

You already lost that with eve being pay to play and micro transactions.

I'll take f2p over getting ****** twice anyday.

Still comes down to in 1 year WoT has giving crazy amounts of updates, it takes the sametime for CCP to say they are going to do something...


All comes down to it is gimped...

Fanbois can say whatever... I leaned of WoT from the eve forums thank god for the eve forums.

Why don't you marry it then?

I think the smallest thing on that list is the avatar changes. The rest is massive in terms of probable workload and I think we can be glad that CCP put the effort into these things.

New ships will come in time, but IIRC a lot of players that protested last year were unhappy about the prospect of adding ships and even modules, or upgrading graphics at the expense of core mechanics. This list seems to be mostly focused on the Core mechanics with a bit of this and that here and there.

Frankly, I'm happy with it. I like new stuff as much as the next guy, (that likes new stuff), but EVEs core mechancis need some serious work and this list is working on that.

Next, I'd like to see POS reworked, changes to player owned stations, (functional but sort of fubar; I'll explain in a minute), and particularly ships redesigned, which they are doing incrementally now.The ships are among the most important. Even though it doesn't make EVE unplayable with them as they are, they are still very important.

Regarding Player owned Stations:

These things are sort of wierd. On one hand, they are very useful in a lot of respects, but they are permanent undestroyable, lockable, and capable of changing hands in an instant.

They are sort of over powered, and also very limited in other respects. I'm not sure what to make of them, but I do wish players would choose better names for them. Player choice of course, but it's weird wandering into a sysatem or looking at the map and finding a station called "Tony's Burgers and Fries," for example.

Frankly, I'd be happy if they were named in a specific fashion using Alliance name, station type, or parameters the players could set or choose from. Simplify things, and the name changes automatically when the station changes hands. I don't even know if the Station names can be changed currently.

Frankly, I think 10 Titans should be able to blow one up in a matter of an hour or so.

Other than that, I think they could use some adjustments to functionality to make them more useful and less of a Clone storage and hangar array. I don't really remember but I think they had rather limited capabilities with regards to industry and such, which shouldn't be the case I think.

I'll check in game later when I think of it.

Alltogether, I'm impressed with this expasion and I hope CCP continues doing more of the same. Also, WoT can kick out multi-toys without issue because it is ultimately a very simple game design. EVE isn't.