EVE General Discussion

Eve is approximately 100 light years across total. For a Dreadnaught/Capital fleet of a thousand to cross this distance would take less than 11 jumps.

To cross from one end of Eve to the other.

Now, I am sure there are a few limiting factors like capacitor recharge, system loading time, and other things. But it is possible to go from one end of Eve to the other in less time than it takes a frigate to make 15 jumps and cross a part.. a PART... of High Sec.

Needless to say, this is broken fast.

It also adds risk/reward by allowing capital fleets to bypass all choke points, paths, and appear where-ever they want in their destination system.

But it also is a great game mechanic because it "scales well". And by that I mean it grow linearly in power with the number of users. That is it is approximately 10 times more powerful for a 100 person alliance than a 10. Why?

Because the number of places you can go it dependent on Cyno alts in the system or near the system. More players, more logged out cyno alts EVERYWHER. And it only takes one to go to a system.

This is why that Goon FC had his meltdown in Jita. Yes yes he is a lousy stupid player with no sense. But he doesn't need sense when he can get himself in trouble anywhere in the galaxy except High Sec and scream "CYNO! CYNO!" and get a 100+ ship zerg to bail him out.

So, how many serious PvPers have quit when they realized that any Goon or PL important enough to be able to scream "CYNO CYNO!" anywhere except High Sec is effectively untouchable?

This is also why Goons hate High Sec. And wormhole space. Don't think they don't. The safe word doesn't work.

But really, that's the way it works in real life to. If you are the minion of a great power, you just shake your but at the locals and they have to put up with it.

Or they kill you and your government runs off.

But, thanks to the design of the jump drive, we can all enjoy 1,000 man blobs that can be in any non-high sec system in Eve in under 15 minutes.

And reasonably, any non-High sec system in under 10 minutes if they are at all properly positioned.

But that makes sense. I've never heard of Imperial Overstretch or "only controls the ground upon which they stand". Eve is simply trying to mimic ancient and modern warfare by allowing armies to travel anywhere instantly.

The ability to go anywhere instantly with the most powerful ships in the game is necessary from a game balance perspective.

So, how do you think Jump Drives should be nerfed to bring back the sanity?

Actually I think that it should be the other way around, let ALL ships dial in system to system warps, the range of which depending on the usual factors (power, skills, rigs, implants, etc) and get rid of these crap gate mechanics entirely.

It would be the end of the gate camps and the "great wall of carebear" that locks down high sec into a carebear haven - and also locks down 0.0 into another carebear haven.


The gate camp is gone, replaced by the combat patrol. Warp bubbles become rare, replaced by the combat probe, and blobs will be replaced by small and medium gangs. Let the 0.0 overlords whose systems are deserted for weeks on end (I know, I trespass there often) actually have to patrol, watch, and defend "their" systems instead of lording it up from their thrones while renters sit on gank pipelines.

Oh to think of the opportunities and what it would unleash....

"Let's make going anywhere in 0.0 a royal pain in the ass that involves hundreds of gates or dozens and dozens of short jumps, consuming fuel and time!"

Making a game more tedious makes it less fun. People log in to shoot each other or do whatever it is they enjoy, not spend multiple days moving assets for one day's worth of fun.

Remember, this is a game, not a job.

The biggest problem with ALL jump mechanics is that they are too damn cheap.

It's easily affordable for player-level usage, even for trivial stuff like KM-whoring hotdrops in low-sec. To make it actually balanced, jump mechanics should be so expensive they are only viable for corp or even alliance-level strategic goals like saving a vital POS by getting fuel and pilots past a blockade, quickly getting a fleet gathered when the enemy is reinforcing moons or taking out station upgrades, or launching invasions into enemy territory without most pilots jumping back a few hours later for some post-op plexing.

A) 1000 man blobs don't just happen, they take planning or a galvanizing reason for everyone to log in (like a surprise attack on a hub system).

B) going somewhere far away involves a lot more than you realize. Scouting, spy reports, alt management, fuel logistics, setting up of safepoint POSes along the route and at the destination if a friendly station is unavailable (in terms of a deployment), etc. Essentially, every time you see a big fleet go a long distance fast, dozens to hundreds of man hours were involved to make that possible. Jumping blind makes you vulnerable. Hot drops are very risky.

C) You obviously have never deployed somewhere far away in Null. It is tedious as hell, even with jump drives, jump bridges, and the like.

ITT high sec dwellers comment on a mechanic they don't understand.

If you mean by that "power projection killed lowsec" then yes. It is a "problem".

Because there isn't a module/ship that currently exists capable of making jump drive safe spots outside of a system?

Well, that is rather easily fixed, isn't it?

"Space Anomaly Scanner" locates a "space distortion" in deep space off of a system. The exact location is randomly generated and is unique to the pilot-system combination. But it is VERY VERY deep. Like 1000 AU or something. Cyno's activated there are undetectable in system. Simply set the radius a Cyno can be detected to 500 AU or something. It's "deadspace" and you can't use warp drives there. Again, make ALL space say 500 AU or more from the sun "deadspace". Have warp drive check "distance from sun" before activating. It's one line of code.

These days you would need a blob-escort and moving goods out of nullsec will end up for many players to an operation impossible because of beeing blob-camped on the routes all the time. Final result is: goods are stucked in nullsec, players with real life unsub due to lack of time for a stupid logistics overkill in a game what should bring fun and not just more work.

you just want to move us back to the stone age (eve 2003) and you just want to gank them all as you gate camp them.
Too bad for you, this is never gonna happen.