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Can items be repackaged at a POS, yet?

Haven't had the time yet, to go onto Sisi and set one up. I did pop on to look at the new Inventory UI, and was horrified by it, but change is good so I'll just have to get used to it.

You are horrified by it, yet seemingly happy to shrug it off and accept it. Wow, the government most looooooove you, model citizen...

And for the record, Change is not good. It can be either good or bad or neutral depending on a lot of things.

Change is good... Is this a real saying that people use like its some eternal little nugget of truth?

So I gave is it a few days to see if there has been any notable improvement, but there isn't. The biggest concern (disappointment) I have with the new inventory system is that it requires so much management now due to a lack of seperation between 'in station' and 'in space'.

Let me preface this by pointing out that CCP recently added a function that could remember the orbital settings of each class of ship you own. It might seem like a small thing, but it was proof that individual ship classes could have details about how to fly them saved. It is an awesome function I use regularly.

Currently on TQ, when I tell the ship where to put a cargo hold and how large I want it on the screen, it knows that and remembers that. For me this is normally towards the bottom left, between local and the HUD. When I am in stations, I have my items covering the bottom third of the screen (over the HUD and all the way to the right edge). When docked I can drag over ammo, drag back loot, etc... It works great (and I can still see my ship).

Now I go to SiSi. I have this 'UI" that when I am in a station, I need to make large to see my items. If I want to add things to the cargo hold I have to scroll through, find my ship, and carefully drag them to it. That doesn't show me what is in my cargo hold, so I will shift+click the cargo hold and get a new window. Fine, I guess that isn't so bad.... but...

Now I undock. My ship's cargo bay, what used to be this small window to the left of my HUD is now the ITEMS window from inside the station can completely covers my HUD (I actually had to look up the shortcut command because the button to turn this off wasn't visible (and wasn't working, haven't checked this time around)). Sure, I can resize it to what I am used to, so I do....

But then I dock up again and now it is this little window and I need to resize it to see everything again. This is a pain, every time I dock I need to resize windows? I also fly an Orca, there are three windows there.

I would stand up a POS to take a look at what that has changed to, but I am honestly too frustrated juggling these UI windows to find my stuff and hopefully get it in the right place to bother.

Looting.

Here is something you folks at CCP made SO MUCH BETTER with a 'Loot All' button, but then you turned it to complete crap with the UI system. The inability have the loot windows as they were before means tracking across the screen to get from the 'open wreck/can' button to the 'loot all' button in the bottm left of whatever cargo window it happens to appear in.

Now, I had a thought, what if I 'shift+click' the first wreck and make it its own window in the upper right like I was used to in the old system? First wreck, both windows turn in to the wreck, but al least the 'loot all' button is close-er. I loot the wreck, now I have two cargo screens. (grumble, fine). Go to the second wreck, both windows turn in to wreck windows. Not perfect but I can deal with it. Better try one more wreck just to see... nope. The new window stays a cargo bay window and the far one is the wreck. (smashing head to keyboard)

TLDR

While many proclaim the improved functionality is great, you make cargo management tedious. You need to ADD functionality while not SUBTRACTING functionality. So many little things are being lost that this is shaping up to be another 'Incarna with Door' event. If CCP is at all being honest that it is listening to its players, if you have learned anything in the last year, you will put this on hold until it is better or you will address the usability issues before May 22.

This. Please not another "door" incident, that dragged on forever.

CCP, please learn your lesson and listen to the players this time.

You really CANNOT bring this in under its current form, it makes everything so much more difficult to do. Seriously.


A genuine question: Do the Devs that came up with this actually play the game ? At all ? Ever ?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1253828#post1253828

New Inventory System name : "DockingInventoryBay" ROTFL

Realistically, there is always a learning curve when using any UI, no matter how intuitive you make it. It simply takes time to adjust to something new, particularly after getting 'set in' to a previous UI. For example, if you give someone who's never used a touch interface before an iPhone, it will take time for that person to adjust to the touch interface, etc. That person might be very tech savvy with regards to more traditional interfaces, but the moment you give that person something 'new', even if you make it as intuitive as possible, there will still be an initial learning curve as one will need to go out of their way to figure out functionality or locate UI options, etc.

My learning curve was really no longer than 5 minutes, which to me seems acceptable when being exposed to a new interface. Of course, I did have an inkling on how to do certain things beforehand (I actually read patch notes and manuals), but with that taken into account, to me the new UI seems functional enough as a basic inventory system. I do think it needs work though, especially on the visualisation of assets aspect (which as you've highlighted, is something that the current UI on Tranquillity does well through multiple windows).

New windows are still possible, all it takes is Shift + Left Click on one of the tree items (so the hangar or a ship's cargohold or drone bay, etc). With that, you can have as many windows as possible. Personally, I'd rather reduce the number of windows needed to do certain actions, but increasing the visual aspect would still be handy, so something like additional panes so to view more than one cargo space at a time within a single window would be nice.

That's bad, though - that's a regression in functionality.

If I want to have multiple windows open to use the system like the current one, I should be able to shift-click on two cans from my station items window - just like double-clicking on two different cans opens two windows now.

I've spent more time messing with it, but the capacity bar still takes up too much space, and the minimum size is not small enough.

I don't see any need to increase the size of things that are already perfectly readable as they are. Screen real estate is already at a ridiculous premium in EVE as it is. Do not make the problem even worse by increasing minimum sizes for windows from their current state.

When I'm in space, if I want access to all of my assets everywhere I will open the Assets window. Until then, I just want to see the inside of my cargo hold, and I want it to act as it currently does now: I want it to fit into my carefully-tailored-to-my-needs window setup, and I don't want all the extra bells and whistles on it. I don't want all this extra stuff. I don't want the tree view, I don't want this huge capacity indicator that implies I'm blind and can't see or read anything, and I don't want to be told that I can no longer fit the window into the place it has lived for -four years- on each and every one of my clients across all of my characters, because suddenly it needs a little more space for a feature I would rather have deactivated on that particular window.

Don't get me wrong: The new system is a huge improvement overall. But I think it is a terrible design choice to force it across all container windows. Allow the user to disable all of those features on certain types of windows where we have no use for them, or else the feature is not helping streamline our user experience - it is hindering it.

Now this is a good post.

Yes, I do think that it would be best to keep a separation between game-wide assets and in-station assets, as it is important to prevent cluttering or overloading an UI with too much information. As for the tree view, that would be a little difficult to remove with the way the new interface works, by the looks of it, since accessing different holds pretty much requires it. That is, unless they can iterate on an icon based interface that would work with right-clicking as well.

And finally, yes, customisation is very important, though I think at this stage, CCP is probably iterating on basic functionality and design before delving into more advanced (but needed) features.

I noticed that if I came to a station in my pod and purchased a ship I could not find it in the inventory window under ships. Indeed until I entered another ship that was already assembled in station was I able to see the other ship I had just bought.

Please leave the behavior of cargo/container/items window like as it is on TQ. Multiple windows are perfectly fine with me.
New Sisi features (tree view, filters etc.) are great. Just add them to each window and nothing can go bad.