EVE General Discussion

Damn, yet another post where I'm 100% agreeing with Tip.

OP is upset because market conditions have changed.

I fail to see the validity of OP's argument.

The skills learned still do the same things, with the same results.

However, the volume of contracts for certain items on the open market appears to be reduced.

The OP wishes to be reimbursed because other capsuleers have changed their behavior?

No functionality was lost.

I'm sorry, but I cannot support OP's position,

Is there a possibility that you are distraught brother?

Only terrible scammers QQ about anything. Unless something gets truly broken in the policy.

OP, if you were to answer the question on why you need the system unchanged we could troubleshoot your problem more effectively.

I would also like the SP refunded on...that skill I have...that isn't as good as it was before...yeah...

Yes they are, because we're talking about using market trading in addition to contract trading, remember?
No, they are open trades on the market and open trades through contracts (neither of which is a dead market) — having two markets to play with at once inherently means they can have more trades going on at any time, and since the second market follows different mechanics that in and of themselves allow for more trade, they can now have a lot more trades going on than before.
Like, respectively, the things that can only be traded through contracts and the things that can now be traded in bulk on the market (or, if not in bulk, then at least at high velocity, requiring frequent adjustments to the market orders). Look, you can play as stupid as you like, but that only makes you look stupid. You know just as well as the OP what cannot be traded on the standard market and what limitations the market has in terms of reach.
Anything he likes. The problem is that he doesn't want to tell anyone what he's trading or why this supposed (but not actual) loss of the contract market is any kind of problem. The OP can use contracts for the exact same thing he used them for before, because nothing has changed about contracting. The use of contracts is covered in full in the wiki as well as in numerous guides on the net; making money through contracts is covered in the ISK guide, which is available for free.

OP's claim is completely invalid because they things that he claims have happened have not happened (or at least the scant information given has been proven to be completely false). The only thing that has happened is that the OP no longer wants to use a particular skill set for no adequately explained reason, and that he wants CCP to modify his character because of his choice to waste all that SP. The OP's problem is 100% manufactured by the OP. If the OP doesn't want to have this problem any more, he can stop creating it. CCP is not a factor in this. CCP has no reason to step in and a fuckton of reasons not to do so.

Seems like the only thing that would satisfy Gay Mafia Princess is a total refund of all skill points every patch.

Even as small a change as an increase to optimal range of a single type of artillery will affect all sorts of people in the same manner as this is affecting her contracts.

More people using artillery means less people using beam lasers/missiles/railguns, so anyone who produces those should get their SP back, since they can't make as much selling those other items anymore. (They can still use those skills to produce other things, you say? But their experience with only producing railguns has been negatively affected!)

Trained cap skills? Not really needed for artillery. (Still exactly as useful for other things? Still negatively affected comparatively by the existence of slightly better artillery.) Refund!

Trained Amarr ships and laser specialization? Negatively affected. Refund!

Trained arkonor processing? That artillery uses less megacyte than comparable laser weapons. Negatively affected. Refund!

And so on, and so on...

So if I told you what I was doing that what make a difference? It doesn't so stop even trying to use that line. What I was doing was my own business.

This is really a bigger issue then people realize. Pretty soon all the people who have trained up skills for datacores are going to be SOL, and you don't even want to get me started about the loss of productivity in terms of PI.

The point is this, CCP isn't just nerfing titan, they are taking a baseball bat to people's dreams and livelihoods. If CCP offered something like a refund of SP I would be willing to bet they would have better retention.

But seriously, if you were legit selling, then the changes really don't effect you at all. If you were scamming, then we could understand and maybe have a little more sympathy for you.

This can be summarized as this: I'm a big baby that lives on scamming but now that CCP has taken away my scamming methods, I must make a thread.

Now, the hilarious thing about your entire crusade? You're arguing over a Level 3 skill.

Greetings capsuleer Davion,

I have already sent capsuleer Whitehound a contracted invoice for wasting my time. I hope he has the honour to pay it. You should do the same.

Regards,

Shian Yang