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Hi guys I'm Apple computer company and you BETTER NOT TRY TO COMPETE WITH MY PRODUCTS

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#21 - 2011-10-01 08:18:05 UTC
Small touch screens existed, as did cellphones. Combining the two doesn't give Apple any exclusive rights, and it didn't take a massive leap in technology to accomplish. I'm pretty sure i heard of cellphones with a touchscreen that existed before the iPhone, also, but i can't find a link amidst all the "OMG iphone" hits.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2011-10-01 08:48:56 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Small touch screens existed, as did cellphones. Combining the two doesn't give Apple any exclusive rights, and it didn't take a massive leap in technology to accomplish. I'm pretty sure i heard of cellphones with a touchscreen that existed before the iPhone, also, but i can't find a link amidst all the "OMG iphone" hits.


IBM Simon... LOL
Back then Apple was 'storming the market' with PDA's.

Sure you might find an example where Apple looked great or terrible being the first to do something poorly or well, but the overall picture of a company constantly rushing to fail or succeed first shows only that they are reckless... it's silly IMO to try and focus on one triumph or failure and pretend they copy or innovate.

My personal experience (and I don't pretend it's more than that) has found Apple products to be buggy and weak, but I must give them credit for ergonomics. Their interfaces and devices are always fantastically well designed physically and virtually. Lots of little moments with Apple devices where I wonder why all their competitors don't do this or that. But then the thing freezes, fails, or glitches and I throw it away anyway.

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Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2011-10-01 10:26:53 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:

but I must give them credit for ergonomics.


Yes, they even introduced the "death grip" for the iphone. Great ergonomics at work.

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Alain Kinsella
#24 - 2011-10-01 16:44:27 UTC
I'm waiting a little bit to see how the new Kindle turns out. I was pretty close to getting a Nook Color until I heard about this.

And my reasoning for owning something like this is to have a device I can browse PDFs in an emergency (Veritas VxVM/VxFS, EMC Networker/AlphaStor, old Sun server docs etc). So I really don't need a lot of the fancier stuff a device like the iPad has - and certainly not at that price.

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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#25 - 2011-10-01 17:09:55 UTC
Alain Kinsella wrote:
I'm waiting a little bit to see how the new Kindle turns out. I was pretty close to getting a Nook Color until I heard about this.

And my reasoning for owning something like this is to have a device I can browse PDFs in an emergency (Veritas VxVM/VxFS, EMC Networker/AlphaStor, old Sun server docs etc). So I really don't need a lot of the fancier stuff a device like the iPad has - and certainly not at that price.

I may have to get a kindle; holding a 1200 page .Net text book is doing my wrist ligaments in.

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SpaceSquirrels
#26 - 2011-10-01 17:17:28 UTC
My only problem with the Kindle is Amazon is able to control it and delete your info off of it. They took a book off once and refunded people the money without even requesting permission first. Some kid had notes on it and those got deleted as well. He sued and won.

One thing to be able to data mine or store info in cache (phones for mapping info) Quite another to be able to delete and add at will without permission first.
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#27 - 2011-10-01 17:46:01 UTC
I remember that. It was a book which couldn't be sold due to copyright issues. But I am told that one can pop one's own PDFs onto the things and that does interest me.

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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#28 - 2011-10-01 19:11:13 UTC
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
I remember that. It was a book which couldn't be sold due to copyright issues. But I am told that one can pop one's own PDFs onto the things and that does interest me.


Just like the iPad, you mean?

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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#29 - 2011-10-01 19:24:10 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:
Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:
I remember that. It was a book which couldn't be sold due to copyright issues. But I am told that one can pop one's own PDFs onto the things and that does interest me.


Just like the iPad, you mean?



Perhaps, but that means, no doubt, having iTunes on my machine. I never wish to ee iTunes ever again and, secondly, I am not too chuffed about QuickTime neither.

Since I can get change from £100 for a Kindle I think that I will be having a hard time getting an iPad for that.

It's not all anti-Jobs here in the The Sheep Shed; I thought that his NeXT machine was simply superb.

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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#30 - 2011-10-01 19:44:26 UTC  |  Edited by: KaarBaak
The iPad replaced my laptop. Windows7 for the desktop. Not sure what my next phone will be, but it won't be another iPhone. The one I have has served me well nigh on 2 (3?) yrs....want to see what I'm missing on other platforms.

EDIT: not a fan of iTunes either. I installed it, registered my iPad and uninstalled it. Haven't reconnected it since. No need. iTunes has to be the worst thing to come out of Apple software-wise...clunky, bloated and difficult to navigate.

Dum Spiro Spero
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
#31 - 2011-10-01 20:30:39 UTC
I'm more than happy with Xp for everything. My laptop is required as a laptop as I need that if I am ever visiting somewhere and I am needing to get some of that work thing done and to hack out some emergency code for clients now and then.

Evil bloated software? At the moment I am struggling with some Adobe stuff. I can't believe how much rubbish there is in some of their applications. Sometimes I yearn for the days of only 640k free addressable space.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#32 - 2011-10-01 22:23:27 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Their interfaces and devices are always fantastically well designed physically and virtually.


Funny thing about that is once upon a time there was no such thing as an OS as we know it today, and everyone was using horrible things like DOSSHELL. Then a small independent company comes up with a brilliant idea about how to present information in a more pleasing way via a mouse interface, using windows. They named an entire operating system after this idea, and Windows was born.

If Microsoft was as greedy and power hungry as Apple, they would have then sued everyone who ever used graphical windows in a similar way, which includes Apple. But they didn't.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#33 - 2011-10-01 22:34:02 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:

Funny thing about that is once upon a time there was no such thing as an OS as we know it today, and everyone was using horrible things like DOSSHELL. Then a small independent company comes up with a brilliant idea about how to present information in a more pleasing way via a mouse interface, using windows. They named an entire operating system after this idea, and Windows was born.

If Microsoft was as greedy and power hungry as Apple, they would have then sued everyone who ever used graphical windows in a similar way, which includes Apple. But they didn't.


I think Apple had their GUI first, not Microsoft.

But, didn't both Jobbs and Gates copy the GUI from Xerox anyway?



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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#34 - 2011-10-01 23:06:31 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
I think Apple had their GUI first, not Microsoft.

But, didn't both Jobbs and Gates copy the GUI from Xerox anyway?


Seems like, after a brief google search. I shouldn't have even made that claim, because it appears everyone was taking from everyone for a period there. All i remember at the time were my friends Macintosh's having ugly and clunky GUIs compared to Windows. It was only recently they produced something with broad range appeal.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-10-02 03:26:11 UTC
Apple doesn't have the best inventors

Apple doesn't have the best coders

Apple doesnt even have the best computers

Apple does however have the best runners for running to the patent office

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#36 - 2011-10-02 11:24:10 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Apple doesn't have the best inventors

Apple doesn't have the best coders

Apple doesnt even have the best computers

Apple does however have the best runners for running to the patent office


And they have a very good marketing department.

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Emiko P'eng
#37 - 2011-10-02 13:36:20 UTC
Do not worry!

It is not new!

There is a whole ecosystem of nasty people lurking in the undergrowth of the patents world

  • The HUGE company I am going to threaten you, little start up company, even if what you are doing is not the same as me. But the legal costs for me are minuscule, but will cripple for you. So I can get rid of a possible future risk at minimal cost

  • Finally you get the 2 people cannot have the same idea independently feuds that can keep the lawyers happy for generations

Among the latest crop of who is suing who!

ZDNet - HTC sues Apple via Google: Here come rent-a-patent lawsuits

It seems suing can be a family affair as well!

BBC Tech News - Apple sued by Via over chips in gadgets

Plus one of the current winners of the battles in court:

PC Pro - Goldman Sachs: Microsoft to make $444m from Android

Even British Telecom tried it on attempting to cash in on a patent they said covered hyperlinks back in 2001

BBC Tech News - BT loses web links battle

Ultimately the problem lays with the patent system. It worked well when you had only a couple of cogs and a drawing. But with the almost infinite ways you can put electronics together so that you can imitate or mimic anything. Added to the calculated way Patents are now written to be very wooly over what they actually cover, means that lawyers and large companies can have a field day Twisted

At the moment it seems that the lawyers are the only ones to be coming out of the recession! Lol
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2011-10-02 17:42:53 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:

Apple got there first with the iPhone and it took 5 years for the competition to compete effectively, now it's the iPad's turn.


Apple didn't invent smartphones, they just joined the latest batch. since early 2000 there where touch screen smartphones with an OS and downloadable programs, they just didn't call them apps. Before 2006 when 3G began to take off connectivity was a bit limited but there was a four channel GPRS (2 up, 2 down) and there weren't many websites configured for them the way you see now.

HTC where one of the biggest early smartphone pioneers, maybe even the first.
Xenuria
#39 - 2011-10-03 22:29:50 UTC
White Tree wrote:
or I will sue you SO HARD!

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/tablets/apple-fears-samsung-tablet-will-seduce-customers-court-told-20110929-1kyl5.html#ixzz1ZMn4ScCB


Do 'free spirits' still like to pretend this corporatist oligarchical puppet panto of a company is still the making products for THE ARTISTIC SOUL?



I think you will find

Cults, Religions, Apple Product Worship and some drugs effect the same area of the brain. The Addiction Center!

The best way I can explain Scientology and the people who practice it is by comparing them to drug addicts. The same example can be seamlessly applied to Hipsters and their worship of apple products.

They get a "high" and that lasts until the next iProduct comes out. They need to spend money to get the "fix" they need and if somebody comes between them and their Scientology/Apple Product/Drugs they will see them as the enemy.


I am actually thinking about doing a paper on the brain and how this sort of intoxication affects people.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#40 - 2011-10-03 23:31:35 UTC
Xenuria wrote:


I think you will find

Cults, Religions, Apple Product Worship and some drugs effect the same area of the brain. The Addiction Center!

The best way I can explain Scientology and the people who practice it is by comparing them to drug addicts. The same example can be seamlessly applied to Hipsters and their worship of apple products.

They get a "high" and that lasts until the next iProduct comes out. They need to spend money to get the "fix" they need and if somebody comes between them and their Scientology/Apple Product/Drugs they will see them as the enemy.


I am actually thinking about doing a paper on the brain and how this sort of intoxication affects people.


There probably are people like that in those groups, but you can't tar them all with the same brush.

Lots of those mindsets (not all, and in varying degrees) I liken to people who cannot interpret reality to a satisfactory level, so they depend on someone or something to do it for them.

It's not addiction, it's dependence.

Doesn't matter whether it's getting a hit to dull down the volume of reality, or, lifestyle defining products that subdue them into thinking that it will make them conform and be part of a bigger picture; instead of a tiny dot on a never-ending canvas.

Some people take their life because of it; some people gorge themselves on food; some even preoccupy themselves with an accumulation of money or things.

None of it means anything, and it is all a futile attempt to avoid the very meaning of life and the very meaning of existence:

To understand who you are.

AK

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