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Using the Intergalactic Summit for one of the stated intended purposes.

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Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#41 - 2012-05-07 14:42:18 UTC
Yes, please answer the question. I thought the matter resolved until such doubt was raised. You did a good job appealing to pride when mentioning "doing what the Amarr tell you", but do know we will default and side with EM on the matter if the question isn't addressed.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2012-05-07 14:47:24 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Rek Jaiga wrote:
I like the cut of your jib. Blue is rather fashionable color, methinks. Shall we, Valerie?


You sound easy to manipulate.


You sound like you contribute nothing new or useful to the conversation at hand.

They've spoken out against slavery as being Unrighteous here on IGS. They oppose the Empire's Theology Council. They've helped a close friend via research that, if I recall correctly, could potentially aid Matari cluster-wide. If you can't see the logic behind this move and view it as manipulation, you are misperceiving the situation.


1) They have spoken out against Amarrian slavery, not slavery in general, if I recall correctly. At some point, the TC was always mentionned. Would have to verify this assertion.

2) That research you refer to was nothing more than illusionist powder flirting with charlatanism. You should ask for confirmation on scientific theories before believing anything. Are you that desperate ?

Rek Jaiga wrote:
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Do you think that blooding instead of enslaving makes people good allies?


Is it a non-lethal, consensual ritual involving blood? If so, I do not see the harm in it. If there exists evidence that CTCS has engaged in forced raids for blood, then of course I agree: that would be a gruesome, terrible thing. So far no such evidence has been brought up.


Your previous question enquired about possible raids on people conducted or supported by CTCS. The CTCS answer told nothing to validate or invalidate the fact, and was nothing but elusive. What was pointed out to you was that by agreeing with a member of the 24th Crusade, you would sound like "doing what the Amarr tell you". You seem ready to conclude blue standings upon that reason alone. Somehow, they just have to remind you that they oppose the TC, and thus the religious head of Amarr, for you to agree. Out of genuine interest, are you a follower of "the enemy of my enemy is my ally ?", because only this would make sense in your decision.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-05-07 14:49:51 UTC
Excuse me, why again is Pilot Farel being allowed to parade around in EM/CTCS/TRA matters?

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#44 - 2012-05-07 15:05:59 UTC
Just to clarify: EM has not made any particular diplomatic statement in this thread. We usually conduct our diplomacy in private. My posts are simply personal opinions.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-05-07 15:09:50 UTC
Understood. Of course your opinions are most welcome, I had merely noticed that Mrs. Farel seemed to be slowing the course of the matters at hand progressing, as opposed to contributing.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#46 - 2012-05-07 15:45:25 UTC
Halete wrote:
Excuse me, why again is Pilot Farel being allowed to parade around in EM/CTCS/TRA matters?


Public thread on a public forum discussing diplomacy in public invites public commentary.

If you don't want third parties "parading around" in "your" matters, don't air them in public. It's really that simple.

And a good rule of thumb: Your allies won't always be fond of each other. Doing your diplomacy in public may cost you some of them as a result, so do it in private instead.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-05-07 15:50:57 UTC
Thank-you, Morwen.

Rek appears to be occupied but I will direct him to your post.

I had figured that the choice to speak in Public was to invite public constructive commentary, but I shall keep it in mind.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#48 - 2012-05-07 15:56:34 UTC
Yes, thank you Morwen. I am new to leadership, and you strike good points/lessons.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2012-05-07 18:55:52 UTC
I find my points rather constructive...
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#50 - 2012-05-07 19:21:20 UTC
To address your question, Ms Farel. Do I believe "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? In most cases, yes. So long as such a relationship doesn't conflict with existing, longer-standing, and more fundamental friendships and alliances, of course.

As for how desperate I am, all I will say is everything about our fight is desperate. This is not a war for profit or glory, nor honor and medals. This is a war for the people I have come to call kin. If I see an opportunity to help the Matari people, I will take it even if it makes me look dumb or naive. My personal reputation is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#51 - 2012-05-07 19:38:40 UTC
All activities carried out in the inflatable cathedral, by CTCS personnel, have involved volunteers.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#52 - 2012-05-07 20:05:27 UTC
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
All activities carried out in the inflatable cathedral, by CTCS personnel, have involved volunteers.
Could you elaborate on CTCS authorized or encouraged activities by anyone, anywhere?

(My impression so far in this thread is that regular blood draining causes an inability to give simple, clear statements.)
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#53 - 2012-05-07 20:43:27 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
All activities carried out in the inflatable cathedral, by CTCS personnel, have involved volunteers.
Could you elaborate on CTCS authorized or encouraged activities by anyone, anywhere?


No.

I can only elaborate on activities by CTCS personnel, that are authorised or encouraged by CTCS.

CTCS Authorises:
Firing on Red Entities with no Warning.
Distribution of Leaflets.
Ceremonies with volunteer participants.

CTCS Encourages:
Interpretation of Scripture.
Righteous Fashion. The Dress That Shows Leg And Cleavage is Unrighteous And Is Prohibited.
Engaging People in Conversation To Dispel The Lies of the Theology Council.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#54 - 2012-05-07 22:02:00 UTC
What is the opinion of the CTCS on draining the blood of an unrighteous without their consent to allow them to be close to your god?
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#55 - 2012-05-08 00:27:13 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
As for how desperate I am, all I will say is everything about our fight is desperate. This is not a war for profit or glory, nor honor and medals. This is a war for the people I have come to call kin. If I see an opportunity to help the Matari people, I will take it even if it makes me look dumb or naive. My personal reputation is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.


I'm glad to read this. Fighting with desperate strength is the cornerstone of success, and I know that you'll temper that energy with forethought. Best of luck, as always.
Muck Raker
Gutter Press
#56 - 2012-05-08 16:46:24 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Oi! So do you lot raid Non-Believers and forcibly do Things to or with them?


They do indeed.

Rumours, Wars, Rumours of Wars, Wars of Rumours!

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#57 - 2012-05-08 17:03:13 UTC
I, uh...

I don't...


You see, er..

When an oversexed ex-Amarrian schoolteacher terrorist and a synthetic sani sabik love eachother very much...
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#58 - 2012-05-08 17:18:43 UTC
So she raided him for fluids, eh?
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#59 - 2012-05-08 18:03:21 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:
What is the opinion of the CTCS on draining the blood of an unrighteous without their consent to allow them to be close to your god?


Those Wacky Covenanters.

What is the Electus Matari Opinion of the Bloody Hands Of Matar organisation ? Do You Condemn or Condone Their Methods ?

The Nature of CTCS is Not the Issue Here.

The Issue is the Ambiguity of Things, where One Thing Says A, Another thing Says Not-A.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#60 - 2012-05-08 18:41:38 UTC
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
What is the Electus Matari Opinion of the Bloody Hands Of Matar organisation ? Do You Condemn or Condone Their Methods ?
To my knowledge there has so far been no official position of EM on the topic of the Bloody Hands of Matar, so I can not give you "the opinion of Electus Matari" on them (would require a Council opinion). Though the Republic considers them terrorists and outlawed the organization, and I would assume we follow the Republic's position on that.

I would recommend you start a new thread for that topic if it's interesting to you, else one might think you are trying to detract from the questions asked here ...

Quote:
The Nature of CTCS is Not the Issue Here.

The Issue is the Ambiguity of Things, where One Thing Says A, Another thing Says Not-A.
So, let me get this right. You are trying to imply in various ways that you do not drain the blood of involuntaries, despite your own leaflet about your own faith claiming so, and when asked about it, you are incredibly evasive and even try to deflect from the issue.

I guess that speaks for itself.