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Enough about the Tengu. What about the Loki?
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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-05-08 06:59:04 UTC
So I hear alot about the Tengu. My Cruiser skills (for Minmatar) are very decent as I've flown my Rupture quite a lot. The Loki seems cool with all the interchangable subsystems and all. But I rarely read about it, only the Tengu... why is that?


Is it horrible? Underrated?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-05-08 07:35:37 UTC
Loki is a great ship.
It's excellent in both fleets and solo and can do both shield and armour very well.
TBH it's probably the best rounded T3.
I still prefer the proteus myself but it's more or less personal preference.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-05-08 07:47:17 UTC
loki is the best T3 ship in all situations where range is not an issue.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-05-08 07:53:18 UTC
I see. Would it be recommended to train for it after Cruisers rather than go Battle Cruiser/Ship?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-05-08 08:08:28 UTC
battlecruisers are the best allround choice for a beginning player, i would not skip them.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#6 - 2012-05-08 08:51:08 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
I see. Would it be recommended to train for it after Cruisers rather than go Battle Cruiser/Ship?


I would recommend to get BC for L3 missions and after that BS for L4 missions. T3 cruisers need a lot of money, and a lot of skills to fit them properly.

And you want to fit them properly

For example, at the same time you train cruiser lvl 5, you can train BCs, BS to lvl3, and support skills (armor or shields, engineering, electronics, upgrades etc) to a decent level which will make you life easier, and you wallet bigger.

EVE is not a game for rush training, everything will come with time. Enjoy the T1 ships before going T3
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-05-08 08:54:56 UTC
Thing is that the Battleship I want is the Typhoon which is supposedly very skill demanding, leaving little time to train for the Loki, I suppose.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-05-08 09:09:43 UTC
i'd rather go with maelstrom if i were you. and aside from large projectiles and battleship skills, almost anything you need to fly a minmatar BS will also serve you in your loki.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Kelhund
Scope Mining Empire
Outer Planets Association
#9 - 2012-05-08 09:13:18 UTC
I'd definately go the Cane ->Temp/Phoon route before training for the T3. T3s are still prohibitively expensive to newer players, unless they have a beneficiary. Also, the skills that make Minnie BSs great also affect everything smaller (with the exception of the BS skill itself and the large weapons). I would say that all of the support skills should be trained before going for a T3, since it will make it even more likely that you will fly the ship effectively. Using a Cane for L3s will give you an excellent idea of how to pilot a ship of that size in a situation where you have alot of incoming DPS, and again increase your survivability. Just dont forget the golden rule of EVE: Dont fly what you cant afford to loose ^^

Astide from that, I fully support the use of Lokis :D
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#10 - 2012-05-08 09:18:27 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Thing is that the Battleship I want is the Typhoon which is supposedly very skill demanding, leaving little time to train for the Loki, I suppose.


All the skills you will need for a BS will be the same as in the cruiser since they will be all generic skills (engineering, electronics, targeting, shields armor, gunnery)

And the BS is cheaper, and you can open the door to L4 missions (and L4 income)

Think that you need the main fit skills to V and cruiser to V to begin thinking in teching to T3 cruisers. So in the meanwhile you will farm all the money you need for the hull and subsystems in the Loki.

You don't want to get your new loki and find you can't fit it tight, or that module you need for the fit to works doesn't fit because you need 5% reduction in CPU or another 50mill ISKs.

I'm saying it from my own point of view and schedule, since i'm training for the Tengu (i'm a caldari missile pilot so it is the obvious choice)
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-05-08 09:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
Daniel Plain wrote:
i'd rather go with maelstrom if i were you. and aside from large projectiles and battleship skills, almost anything you need to fly a minmatar BS will also serve you in your loki.


Yeah I've heard how the Typhoon is supposedly inferior. But I love the look of that bigass barrel of a ship.

On the plus side, it is the cheapest Battleship.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-08 10:04:12 UTC
the phoon is not inferior when you have 30+ mill skill points in gunnery, missiles and drones. for a new player though, it's really REALLY bad.

I should buy an Ishtar.
LadyJaye
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-05-08 10:05:00 UTC
The Loki is amazing in armor fleets as heavy tackle.

If you're looking at staying Minmatar spec, the Tempest isn't a bad ship either. You can use it as either shield or armor tanked; even though it's not the best at either, it does do both decently good.

If you're looking at doing missions, the Maelstrom is a very good investment in both skills and ISK and can be fit with either autocannons or artillery (I personally prefer T2 autocannons paired with Angel missions Smile); and a lot of alliances happen to use alpha Maels in their fleet doctrines.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#14 - 2012-05-08 10:15:29 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
i'd rather go with maelstrom if i were you. and aside from large projectiles and battleship skills, almost anything you need to fly a minmatar BS will also serve you in your loki.


Yeah I've heard how the Typhoon is supposedly inferior. But I love the look of the bigass barrel of a ship.

On the plus side, it is the cheapest Battleship.


Fly whatever you like, even if is not as good as the Fotm.

I`m flying Scorpion Navy Issue instead of the FOTM Raven Navy Issue, just because is cooler, is cheaper and the difference in performance is not that big (I can do missions as fast or even faster than some CNR just because I have more mids and I don't need to fit cap rigs or warp out for docking)
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-08 10:26:37 UTC
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
i'd rather go with maelstrom if i were you. and aside from large projectiles and battleship skills, almost anything you need to fly a minmatar BS will also serve you in your loki.


Yeah I've heard how the Typhoon is supposedly inferior. But I love the look of the bigass barrel of a ship.

On the plus side, it is the cheapest Battleship.


Fly whatever you like, even if is not as good as the Fotm.

I`m flying Scorpion Navy Issue instead of the FOTM Raven Navy Issue, just because is cooler, is cheaper and the difference in performance is not that big (I can do missions as fast or even faster than some CNR just because I have more mids and I don't need to fit cap rigs or warp out for docking)

if you have to fit cap rigs or warp out in a CNR you're doing it wrong.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#16 - 2012-05-08 10:40:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Otrebla Utrigas
Daniel Plain wrote:
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
i'd rather go with maelstrom if i were you. and aside from large projectiles and battleship skills, almost anything you need to fly a minmatar BS will also serve you in your loki.


Yeah I've heard how the Typhoon is supposedly inferior. But I love the look of the bigass barrel of a ship.

On the plus side, it is the cheapest Battleship.


Fly whatever you like, even if is not as good as the Fotm.

I`m flying Scorpion Navy Issue instead of the FOTM Raven Navy Issue, just because is cooler, is cheaper and the difference in performance is not that big (I can do missions as fast or even faster than some CNR just because I have more mids and I don't need to fit cap rigs or warp out for docking)

if you have to fit cap rigs or warp out in a CNR you're doing it wrong.


Or maybe you don't have enough skills (which is my situation) and prefer to fly safe in a scorpion NI with more mid slots for painters, active tank and cap booster.

I can lose her, but i prefer not to if I get out of cap while scrammed in a L4.
Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
#17 - 2012-05-08 10:48:21 UTC
@ OP - The reason you hear about the Tengu a lot is because it's a PVE monster. Speed, damage projection, low sig radius, and tank all rolled into one. Well fit and skilled, you can get battleship level dps @ more than 100km. The problem with the Loki as a PVE platform is range, meaning you have to chase down your targets which increases your mission completion time and decreases your isk/hr.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-05-08 12:16:26 UTC
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:
I`m flying Scorpion Navy Issue instead of the FOTM Raven Navy Issue, just because is cooler, is cheaper and the difference in performance is not that big (I can do missions as fast or even faster than some CNR just because I have more mids and I don't need to fit cap rigs or warp out for docking)

if you have to fit cap rigs or warp out in a CNR you're doing it wrong.


Or maybe you don't have enough skills (which is my situation) and prefer to fly safe in a scorpion NI with more mid slots for painters, active tank and cap booster.

I can lose her, but i prefer not to if I get out of cap while scrammed in a L4.

not having the skills for a raven is quite a different reason to fly scorp than 'because it's cooler'.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#19 - 2012-05-08 12:31:59 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:
I`m flying Scorpion Navy Issue instead of the FOTM Raven Navy Issue, just because is cooler, is cheaper and the difference in performance is not that big (I can do missions as fast or even faster than some CNR just because I have more mids and I don't need to fit cap rigs or warp out for docking)

if you have to fit cap rigs or warp out in a CNR you're doing it wrong.


Or maybe you don't have enough skills (which is my situation) and prefer to fly safe in a scorpion NI with more mid slots for painters, active tank and cap booster.

I can lose her, but i prefer not to if I get out of cap while scrammed in a L4.

not having the skills for a raven is quite a different reason to fly scorp than 'because it's cooler'.

It is cooler, cheaper and has more mid slots to cover my 1.5 month toon lack in skill points.

Long things short. With 6 mids in a CNI i cannot fit 3 hardeners, booster, amp, two painters and cap booster, while having my flare and rigor rigs, as i have in my SNI. All at the cost of one cruise launcher and 200mil more in my wallet.

And i'm doing L4 fine :D

So if the OP want to fly a typhoon because he likes more the ship, let him do it. If he is smart he will know his limiations and play accordingly. If not, he will lose the BS and learn (hopefully) in the process.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#20 - 2012-05-08 12:39:49 UTC
Enough about the Loki. Let's talk about the Tengu!
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