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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#41 - 2012-05-08 02:38:24 UTC
I don't think anyone is saying miners are the most important. Just that mining should be a legitimate career path, like so many other things are.

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Macks Artilius
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-05-08 02:47:01 UTC
I just don't understand why CCP implemented a change that would encourage people to mine, when mining is literally the worst part of the game. If I'm ever mining, its only because I'm actually doing something else in the background.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#43 - 2012-05-08 02:59:10 UTC
Macks Artilius wrote:
If I'm ever mining, its only because I'm actually doing something else in the background.


Which is exactly what mining is good for: Playing in windowed mode while you're doing other things online.

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Pres Crendraven
#44 - 2012-05-08 03:03:58 UTC
I'd think running a indy corp has more to do with running a large corporation than running a pvp corp. Managing people, markets, materials, slots and POSs are way closer to what you have to do to own a wormhole or holding sov than running a gate camp. Mining is an important stepping stone to understanding the processes that need managed for growth of your corp, your alliance and probably CCP in the long run. Even PVPing PoS takedowns and timers reminds me more of industry than PVP. The guys shooting at the POS are just mining shields instead of rocks. OP complains about shooting a rock for two hours. Of course that never happens but whats the difference Shooting POS is easy mode mining.

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-05-08 05:28:07 UTC
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Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-05-08 05:39:44 UTC
Ok, people ITT said that:

1) mining is profession path. (ikknow that)
2) waahwaah we get ganked (I'm pleased with that)
3) they mine afk because they are doing other things (which once again proves point that mining is broken, because core game mechanincs shouldn't be dumb like that)
4) they like mining (may god have mercy..)

Anyway point of this topic was simple:

Mining is utterly broken, boring and plain bad game mechanic. It should not be encouraged, it should be removed from the game entirely and replaced with some other way of getting minerals.
Lexmana
#47 - 2012-05-08 05:40:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Tub Chil wrote:
I have never seen a game mechanic in any game that would be equally bad. you basically warp to belt, ctrl+click an object and activate lasers. and that's it, then you just sit there for 2 hours.or more.

Is it really that easy? I see a lot of whining on the forums that mining is too hard and too risky these days.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#48 - 2012-05-08 05:52:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Tub Chil wrote:
Everyone else? Seriously?

now longer part:

It is well known that CCP raged hard about "mining with guns baad" "reprocessing baad" and did things that we know they did. result is easily seen on market, tier 3 SB hull costs as much as fully fitted and rigged fleet BS cost just few months ago.

I want a valid reason why minerals should come from mining only and how game gets better from it.
Because in my opinion any tweak/fix should be done for the game and not group of players.

Now, I would have absolutely nothing against mining, but there is a thing that I just can't get out of my sight. it's the fact that mining is horribly bad, boring and mind scratching activity. I have never seen a game mechanic in any game that would be equally bad. you basically warp to belt, ctrl+click an object and activate lasers. and that's it, then you just sit there for 2 hours.or more.

splendid

I mean PVE in eve doesn't shine either but it is many miles ahead from mining.
So why should PVE be discouraged and mining encouraged?
How will overall game experience improve if today's lvl4 runner will mine trit?


Discuss


I could have SWORN I heard this was a sandbox game somewhere. Are we gonna have PVPers QQin about that and gettign that removed from the game now?

Tub Chil wrote:
Ok, people ITT said that:

1) mining is profession path. (ikknow that)
2) waahwaah we get ganked (I'm pleased with that)
3) they mine afk because they are doing other things (which once again proves point that mining is broken, because core game mechanincs shouldn't be dumb like that)
4) they like mining (may god have mercy..)

Anyway point of this topic was simple:

Mining is utterly broken, boring and plain bad game mechanic. It should not be encouraged, it should be removed from the game entirely and replaced with some other way of getting minerals.


Ah I understand, yer a "pvp is graet, **** off anyone that doesnt" trolls. You earn the covted hide post

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#49 - 2012-05-08 05:55:02 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying miners are the most important. Just that mining should be a legitimate career path, like so many other things are.


OP doesnt feel anything other than what he's decided is good IS A viable path.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#50 - 2012-05-08 06:28:11 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Macks Artilius wrote:
If I'm ever mining, its only because I'm actually doing something else in the background.

Which is exactly what mining is good for: Playing in windowed mode while you're doing other things online.

Which is fine as long as you accept that loss of attention may result in the loss of your ship due to various factors.

Other than that, why not? It seems the whole thing was set up that way, and even the isk/hour seems to reflect some kind of reduced effort premium (or would that be discount). Of course there's also massively multiboxing things.

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#51 - 2012-05-08 06:40:27 UTC
Tub Chil wrote:
Everyone else? Seriously?

now longer part:

It is well known that CCP raged hard about "mining with guns baad" "reprocessing baad" and did things that we know they did. result is easily seen on market, tier 3 SB hull costs as much as fully fitted and rigged fleet BS cost just few months ago.

I want a valid reason why minerals should come from mining only and how game gets better from it.
Because in my opinion any tweak/fix should be done for the game and not group of players.

Now, I would have absolutely nothing against mining, but there is a thing that I just can't get out of my sight. it's the fact that mining is horribly bad, boring and mind scratching activity. I have never seen a game mechanic in any game that would be equally bad. you basically warp to belt, ctrl+click an object and activate lasers. and that's it, then you just sit there for 2 hours.or more.

splendid

I mean PVE in eve doesn't shine either but it is many miles ahead from mining.
So why should PVE be discouraged and mining encouraged?
How will overall game experience improve if today's lvl4 runner will mine trit?


Discuss

Well the game experience won't change at all should a level four mission bot turn into a mining bot, but out in low sec and null sec it's nice to start seeing people flying around in mining ships again.

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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-05-08 06:40:58 UTC
Who are you and what have you done with Heretic Nation?

Do you know that yesterday I saw a tech 1 indy on autopilot go through amamake like it was nothing. Maybe instead of whining about how miners are running your game (really?) you should actually undock and do some pirate stuff.

CCP should just disband all corps after 3 years because they just turn into bitter whiners who never undock.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-05-08 06:43:49 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Who are you and what have you done with Heretic Nation?

Do you know that yesterday I saw a tech 1 indy on autopilot go through amamake like it was nothing. Maybe instead of whining about how miners are running your game (really?) you should actually undock and do some pirate stuff.

CCP should just disband all corps after 3 years because they just turn into bitter whiners who never undock.


All industrials are welcome to autopilot through Amamake, why wouldn't they? we're not heartless monsters after all.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#54 - 2012-05-08 06:48:58 UTC
Tub ChilMining is utterly broken, boring and plain bad game mechanic. It should not be [b wrote:
encouraged[/b], it should be removed from the game entirely and replaced with some other way of getting minerals.
No. It should be fixed, and since people enjoy it, it should also be made useful.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-05-08 06:58:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Tub ChilMining is utterly broken, boring and plain bad game mechanic. It should not be [b wrote:
encouraged[/b], it should be removed from the game entirely and replaced with some other way of getting minerals.
No. It should be fixed, and since people enjoy it, it should also be made useful.


fixing mining means changing so many things, that I call it remove and add again :) point is same though.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#56 - 2012-05-08 07:00:51 UTC
Tub Chil wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Tub ChilMining is utterly broken, boring and plain bad game mechanic. It should not be [b wrote:
encouraged[/b], it should be removed from the game entirely and replaced with some other way of getting minerals.
No. It should be fixed, and since people enjoy it, it should also be made useful.


fixing mining means changing so many things, that I call it remove and add again :) point is same though.


Thankfully you were here to call it!

Now CCP can finally fix mining for real...

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Keno Skir
#57 - 2012-05-08 07:06:21 UTC
Tub Chil wrote:
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Professions.

texttext.


I know that mission runner could compete with miner before, and I'm saying it is a great thing because mining sucks donkey balls.
Arbitrary specialization is not important.


You really are an idiot.

(sorry, just pretend i wrote a long and detailed argument. We're all thinking what i said anyway..)

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#58 - 2012-05-08 07:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Tub Chil wrote:
fixing mining means changing so many things, that I call it remove and add again :) point is same though.
No, it's not. Your version of “fixing” depends on your aversion to the profession; fixing it means that those who don't share that aversion will get nice things. In fact, if anything, increasing your aversion to it is a good way of fixing it.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-05-08 07:11:36 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Tub Chil wrote:
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Professions.

texttext.


I know that mission runner could compete with miner before, and I'm saying it is a great thing because mining sucks donkey balls.
Arbitrary specialization is not important.


You really are an idiot.


You didn't include hurr durr in your statement therefore you're not dramatic enough.
Dr Prometheus
Gears of Construction
Gears Confederation
#60 - 2012-05-08 09:32:55 UTC
Mining is boring, but it depends on how you do it. :)

If you have 1 little Hulk yes it gets boring, but if you need to handle (with 1 or 2 friends) a mining fleet composed of 2 Orca`s a crapload of Hulks And almost non stop moving haulers.

You wont have time to do other stuff. (Lets just say that a normal person can handle 6 mining chars, 1 is the Orca rest are the Hulks who get filled so fast you need to constantly switchs windows.)

So if you think mining is boring; make it less boring by adding more stuff to look at, while in the meantime increasing your profit. Offcourse just add some PI and Datacore acquisitions and you are good to go.

I do agree though that its boring, and could use some boost to make it less boring, but try to not break the multiboxing part of it. Because if you do, you will get less miners again = higher prices.

And ganking; well, currently mining is still not that profitable so you want to get as much yield as possible. So yes you take a risk, But i do like to see some boost to the tank. (Just some thoughts.)

- Make them able to fit LSE`s
- Add more slots for tanking, but make them not able to fit more yield bonusses as currently (So a max of 2 MLU`s)
- Orac gives a small bonus to shield of fleet members. Like 5% shield as role. (Not increasing with skill) (Passive)

And offcourse more explorable belts, ways to find "hotspots" in belts with higher ore/mineral output. Or rare ore, moongoo.
So in this case you can do "passive" mining and "active" mining. (Keeps both multiboxers and "loneboxers" happy.)

Dude, where is my Quafe Megathron?